Samsung plays offense, will sue Apple if they release an LTE iPhone

August 30, 2012
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Just when we thought it was almost over, we realize the party has only just started. New reports today are clearly stating that while Samsung might have lost the battle, in the end they'll win the war. According to the Korean Times Samsung holds just over 10% of all 4G LTE (long term evolution) patents and is prepared to play some offense of their own in the courtroom.

What we are now hearing is that Samsung is basically saying "We dare you" to release a 4G LTE iPhone -- which is rumored to be a part of the next iPhone launch -- and once they do Samsung will sue the pants off of them and go into full revenge/attack mode. The iPad currently has LTE, yes, but Samsung has been waiting for a much bigger fish and that is Apple's bread and butter - the iPhone.

Sadly just this afternoon a story came out regarding Apple and Google themselves having private discussions to end these drawn out and angry patent lawsuits -- but it appears that Samsung wants nothing to do with that. Obviously these reports can't be confirmed at this time but we are hearing some reliable information is at hand regarding this.

This is actually a very interesting development in this entire story. If Apple does launch an LTE iPhone (which is pretty likely) they'll quickly be rounding up the troops once more and headed to court. Samsung will no doubt seek an immediate product injunction and ban from the US, and probably multiple other countries as their patents are very wide. Now obviously Apple needs to release an iPhone 5 with 4G LTE as that is something consumers are basically demanding these days. If they do they will get sued, and if they don't then people will jump for the Android LTE options available.

The new iPhone should be announced sometime in mid September so we'll all know soon enough. Will this ever end?


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  • Guest

    This is just plain childish. Samsung got caught with their pants down inpersonating instead of innovating and now they want to act out. Ridicilous.

    • vikings football

      hey, like how apple protected their patents, so is samsung…how is that wrong?

  • Guest

    This is just plain childish. Samsung got caught with their pants down inpersonating instead of innovating and now they want to act out. Ridicilous.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Tekkie79 Wil Stark

    This is just plain childish. Samsung got caught with their pants down impersonating instead of innovating and now they want to act out. Ridicilous.

    • MrDirkDiggler

      So when Apple is protecting their patents, it’s ok, but when another company does it, it isn’t?

      The Apple-cult strikes with it’s logic once again.

    • metsladanstabouche

      you have to stop using the word innovating because we are not dealing with innovation. Apple is a remixing company, they do it great and I congratulate them, but they don’t innovate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Tekkie79 Wil Stark

    This is just plain childish. Samsung got caught with their pants down impersonating instead of innovating and now they want to act out. Ridicilous.

  • Guest

    I can’t wait for them to waste $$$ billions more …

  • Guest

    I can’t wait for them to waste $$$ billions more …

  • Mac

    Go ahead samsung sue away and get back that 1.05B you lost to apple

    • Immortal78

      Pocket change for Apple!

    • Immortal78

      Pocket change for Apple!

      • vikings football

        maybe pocket change, but 4G LTE is the way to go man…without it, theres noway to go but down.

      • ermergerdaniphone

        you are so impartial it brings a tear to my eye.

      • Immortal78

        Thank You!

  • Mac

    Go ahead samsung sue away and get back that 1.05B you lost to apple

  • http://twitter.com/mikedonatello Mike Donatello

    I have a hard time believing that Apple would have gone as far as it did if its LTE work could infringe on Samsung’s patents. That said, it would be awesome for Sammy to kick some sense into Apple.

  • http://twitter.com/mikedonatello Mike Donatello

    I have a hard time believing that Apple would have gone as far as it did if its LTE work could infringe on Samsung’s patents. That said, it would be awesome for Sammy to kick some sense into Apple.

  • apple suks!

    Just because of round corners lol now that’s childish, and if they were innovaters they would have so much market share at this point. But all they have are small screen phones bc they r babies and dont know how to grow up

  • apple suks!

    Just because of round corners lol now that’s childish, and if they were innovaters they would have so much market share at this point. But all they have are small screen phones bc they r babies and dont know how to grow up

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=512578616 Eric David Loiacono

    No it won’t end.
    The world is fucking retarded.

    • vikings football

      apple is retarded

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=512578616 Eric David Loiacono

    No it won’t end.
    The world is fucking retarded.

  • commonsense

    Good. If Apple is trying to monopoly smartphone market with its no make sense square design patent which no other countries in the world have acknowledged then Samsung should use their totally make sense lte technowledge patent to get what it deserves.

    • Immortal78

      You do realize there was more than squares and corners involved in the latest litigation that Samsung lost, right? Common Sense)

      • kbakken

        @Immortal78
        YOU do realize that it was literally one of the patents that was argued in court, right? Sure there were others, but the jury had to answer specific questions about the patents (this one included). And it was upheld (rectangle with rounded corners).

    • Immortal78

      You do realize there was more than squares and corners involved in the latest litigation that Samsung lost, right? Common Sense)

    • vikings football

      yes, that makes ense

  • commonsense

    Good. If Apple is trying to monopoly smartphone market with its no make sense square design patent which no other countries in the world have acknowledged then Samsung should use their totally make sense lte technowledge patent to get what it deserves.

  • Mike

    Once again, when Apple does it it’s fair game, but when an android manufacturer does it it’s unfair haha love it!

    • Jimbo

      Really!? Which planet are you living on?

  • Mike

    Once again, when Apple does it it’s fair game, but when an android manufacturer does it it’s unfair haha love it!

  • raw2000j

    apple wants to sue over stupidity lets see how they like this Im happy Sammy is teaching idiots a lesson and I hope Sammy wins this time.Long live Android !

  • raw2000j

    apple wants to sue over stupidity lets see how they like this Im happy Sammy is teaching idiots a lesson and I hope Sammy wins this time.Long live Android !

    • vikings football

      if apple dont win this LTE case in the u.s, then its obvious the u.s. courts are being paid, haha

  • I like apple

    I am on apples side 100% because they have the right to have a 4g lte iPhone as much as samsung

    • harson

      so apple has right to use LTE and began the patent war but not allow to be sued back. Have u see Ford sues Honda by making 4 wheels car?

      • Immortal78

        This comment makes no sense! Please, don’t waste your time typing, just read.

      • MrDirkDiggler

        That answer you just gave applies to you as well my lost Apple-cultist!

    • harson

      so apple has right to use LTE and began the patent war but not allow to be sued back. Have u see Ford sues Honda by making 4 wheels car?

    • vikings football

      apple has the right, but they dont have that option without license when theres a patent for LTE, just as there was for square w/ rounded corners.

      • Greg Bissell

        True. Its sad that the Iphone was made for little girls and the mental midgets you have no tech skills what so ever. The average iphone user is a disgusting jackass. I feel sorry for their lives.

    • DrewNusser

      Yep, they do have the right, as soon as they pay up. However, it will have to go to court because (just like with Motorola) Apple won’t pay a cent until a judge forces them to. Apple wanted $30-$40 per Samsung device for licenses (thanks for the rounded icons!), but then they say that Motorola is being unreasonable for asking for a few bucks.

  • I like apple

    I am on apples side 100% because they have the right to have a 4g lte iPhone as much as samsung

  • Sperrybird

    Go Go Sammy!

  • Sperrybird

    Go Go Sammy!

  • jj

    10%? who own the other 90%?

  • jj

    10%? who own the other 90%?

    • onpoint G

      Dr Evil

      • DrewNusser

        His most brilliant scheme yet!

  • ijudge

    If apple could get 1billion on some nonsense patents. tech patent like lte should win by billions.

  • ijudge

    If apple could get 1billion on some nonsense patents. tech patent like lte should win by billions.

    • Immortal78

      Nonsense patents? Without these, (nonsense) patents Android wouldn’t exist! Be thankful for these, (Nonsense) Patents! Son!

      • priceaw1

        So what you are saying is that Android wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for rounded corners and a “bounce back” feature. I think you really need to get a clue Son!

      • Immortal78

        That’s exactly what I am saying! “Pinch to Zoom” Tap to Zoom, their own app store, their own music store, SDK for game developers! ALL after Apple unveiled first! SON. Look it up, Apple iTunes, App Store came before all imitators! SON, SON!

      • http://www.facebook.com/oldero.brian Brian Oldero

        App store was ubuntu not apple, itunes? Are you serious? Napster as a music market existed first as well. Perhaps you should be the one looking things up?

      • Immortal78

        Napster? Napster was a sharing file website before it became a store! Thanks to Daddy Steve Jobs who also revolutionized the music industry on how we purchase songs!
        Look it up!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1036320129 Brian Sun

        You are such an angry nerd LOL

      • Immortal78

        Thank you, & U are such a “Chink”

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1036320129 Brian Sun

        Angry racist nerd lololol. Have fun wasting your time incessantly defending Apple :).

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1036320129 Brian Sun

        Angry racist nerd lololol. Have fun wasting your time incessantly defending Apple :).

      • Immortal78

        I am having fun, you’re part of it! LOL! CHINK!

      • Immortal78

        I am having fun, you’re part of it! LOL! CHINK!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1036320129 Brian Sun

        I really hope the “78″ in your name doesn’t refer to the year you were born… It would be really sad if you were a 34 year old man with nothing better to do than rage on message boards all day. Good luck with life :).

      • Immortal78

        I don’t recall ever reading there were an age limit to blogging. On that note, no, “78″ is not my birth year, your hopes have come true! I do understand, though you are really immature. Don’t you have a “girlfriend/boyfriend” you could “text/message” instead of wasting your time with a “34 year Old Man” like you say! LMAO

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1036320129 Brian Sun

        Angry racist nerd lololol. Have fun wasting your time incessantly defending Apple :).

      • http://twitter.com/GamerNick4242 GamerNick

        actually Android was already in Development, before the IPhone got released. Add to that Apple has no grounds to sue Google over patent infringement.
        Now please remind me of what Patents Android is dependant on?

      • Immortal78

        You are correct, Android was in development. But it never patented nothing like the iPhone OS. Android existed before iPhone, but it was never close to a touchscreen OS.

      • Immortal78

        After Apple unveiled the iPhone, then Android became a touchscreen OS. Can you say. ” COPY.” ??

      • DrewNusser

        Sorry, but that’s just not true. That’s just not true. The technology behind every single one of those patents existed well before Apple got their hands on them. Apple was just able to copy them first, so naturally (like in the past with Xerox), Apple somehow thought they had the exclusive rights to them.

      • Immortal78

        Let me ask you then, if the tech existed before, why was it not patented by whom invented it first?? As far as I know, Apple has those patents. I don’t think they hand out duplicate patents.

      • DrewNusser

        You must be new. The stuff was patented, and there were plenty examples of prior art. Apple simply changed the wording a little bit to make it sound different, even though the effect is essentially the same. I’m not going to waste my time in showing you, because a simple Google patent search will bring up enough results. Either way, if you haven’t realized all this by now, then showing you wouldn’t do anything at all. Rest assured, though, that there are tons of duplicate patents out there. Just research it yourself. That, or just assume that you’re right, and that Apple invented the wheel.

      • Immortal78

        You said, and I quote, ” I’m not going to waste my time in showing you. ” let me explain to you what you mean by that, and I quote, ” I can’t prove to you those patents are owned by other companies other than Apple.” good bye!

      • DrewNusser

        Ach. It’s like dealing with a 4 year old.

        Unified search patents before Apple’s:
        http://www.google.com/patents/US20050165777

        http://www.google.com/patents/US7447678

        Microsoft’s pinch-to-zoom patent (filed in Apr. 2006 – well before Apple’s):http://www.google.com/patents/US8077153

        Prior art – Jeff Han’s awesome touch screen from about a year before Apple even filed their pinch-to-zoom patent, let alone release the iPhone:
        http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_touchscreen.html

        Good articles about the pinch to zoom & other patents in question:http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/30/3279628/apple-pinch-to-zoom-patent-myth

        http://techpinions.com/some-items-in-the-apple-vs-samsung-trial-just-dont-add-up/9338

        http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/08/hold-maybe-apple-doesnt-own-pinch-zoom-after-all

        Phone before iPhone with rectangular shape, black color, and rounded edges:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada

        Samsung product from 2006 that looks identical to the iPad:http://lawpundit.blogspot.com/2011/08/samsung-digital-picture-frame-2006-is.html

        Apple is shamelessly abusing a broken system, and anyone who isn’t a blind iFan knows it (and most of them even realize it). They say they’re going after “copycats” when they are just as guilty of copying as anyone else. Go troll somewhere else, and don’t try to translate that into anything else. I actually do mean to go troll somewhere else.

      • Immortal78

        Oh and, ” One more thing ” as Daddy Jobs put it, you know how Google manipulates the search engine to benefit certain companies, right?

      • Jimmy_Johansen

        It was stated by the courts and the jury that Android in and of itself (The OS) didn’t break any patents whatsoever. Samsung’s addition to the Android base are what were called into play. Along with design cues that were taken from Apple. Apple’s patents should not exist according to the definition of what is patentable as stated by the US Patents. “Useful, new and non-obvious — that’s what a patentable invention has to be, according to the USPTO.”

      • Immortal78

        So what you’re saying is ” Pinch to Zoom” and ” Tap to Zoom” are licensed from Apple through Android? Hmmmm, don’t think Google is licensing anything from Apple yet. Do your homework first.

      • JIMMY_JO

        You misunderstood. They should never have been able to be patented at all

  • Greg R.

    I hope Apple gets what it has coming to them. They need a big wake up call. They’ve be “borrowing” touch screen tech, linux open source code, their whole interface… the list goes on. You can’t get more destructive to capitalism than market share by judge. It’s one thing to have a monopoly earned. One instituted by judge hurts the customer more then anyone else.

  • Greg R.

    I hope Apple gets what it has coming to them. They need a big wake up call. They’ve be “borrowing” touch screen tech, linux open source code, their whole interface… the list goes on. You can’t get more destructive to capitalism than market share by judge. It’s one thing to have a monopoly earned. One instituted by judge hurts the customer more then anyone else.

  • Immortal78

    This is just plain STUPID! Instead of Samsung licensing the patents from Apple, they’re gonna countersue because they’re butt hurt! Samsung’s willing to spend millions more counter suing instead of licensing the patents. The consumer NOW will lose! Stupid Samsung just doesn’t learn!

    • vikings football

      revenge can be such a beech

    • MrDirkDiggler

      Yeah I guess that even you feel the sour taste of revenge. Apple has been suing over patents they don’t own and copying substantial parts of the iPhone claiming it’s their invention for to long now. Take the touch screen for example. You know that it’s a Swedish cellular phone manufacturer that owns that, right?

      As vikings says it, revenge can be a b*tch!

      • Immortal78

        No, I didnt know a Swedish company invented the touchscreen. But if it did, I’m sure Apple licensed the Tech throught them, just like recently, it was talked that Microsoft reached a licensing deal with Apple. What’s wrong with paying for licensing deals to use that particular patent. Samsung/Google need to learn from Microsoft. Get a license deal, customers don’t pay the price!

      • MrDirkDiggler

        Not touch, slide to unlock. Remembered wrong. This is however another thing Apple sued anc claimed over and is just one example of how Apple thinks. Not at all.

        http://www.dailytech.com/Analysis+Neonode+Patented+SwipetoUnlock+3+Years+Before+Apple/article24046.htm

      • Immortal78

        This is nothing like ” Slide to unlock ” on iPhone or Android! It’s simply a yes or no button!

      • MrDirkDiggler
      • Immortal78

        I guarantee you if Neonode had any viable claim here, it would’ve gone after Apple long time ago!

    • Greg Bissell

      Have fun with your 4″ mini phone wihtout LTE and stolen notifications

      • Immortal78

        Oh, I will! Have fun with no Pinch/Tap to Zoom. Unless, Google agrees to license the Tech.

    • lol

      you are obviously clueless mac fanboi :)

  • Immortal78

    This is just plain STUPID! Instead of Samsung licensing the patents from Apple, they’re gonna countersue because they’re butt hurt! Samsung’s willing to spend millions more counter suing instead of licensing the patents. The consumer NOW will lose! Stupid Samsung just doesn’t learn!

  • Immortal78

    Wait a minute gentlequeers! There a possibility LTE could be under FRAND:

    Fair Reasonable And Non-Discriminatory Licensing

    • DrewNusser

      That’s true, but you don’t need to be a douche in pointing it out.

  • ijudge

    US could influence japanese in many sectors but not the japanese court becoz japanese court is not a joke.

  • SamsungAreShit

    Samsung can’t sue Apple over 4G LTE! Its a network which is now under FRAND. Samsung are just getting all pissy that they lost. Its not Appl’es fault that Samusung can’t make ideas up by themselves hahaha!!

    • Greg Bissell

      Obviously you are an ignorant moron and have no clue about patents

  • Darkyeffectt

    LOL! This is so funny…

    Poor Sammy’s fans… In a war between Samsung and Apple, Samsung can only lose. Did you forget that this whole war is about money? And when it comes to money no one has more than Apple.

    Samsung has 10% of LTE patents, but Nokia has 40% and RIM 10%, you can be sure that if Apple need to buy Nokia or RIM Nokia, they’ ll do it, and we’ll see who loses more. Remember, Apple has more money than Samsung and Google combined.

    Come on Sammy, I’m waiting for you to launch my thermo nuclear bomb.

  • Darkyeffectt

    Poor Sammy’s fans …

    In a war between Samsung and Apple, Samsung can only lose. Did you forget that this whole war is about money? And when it comes to money no one has more than Apple.

    Samsung has 10% of LTE patents, but Nokia has 40% and RIM 10%, you can be sure that if Apple need to buy Nokia or RIM they will do it and we’ll see who loses more.
    Remember, Apple has more money than Samsung and Google combined.

    Come on Sammy, I’m waiting to launch my thermo nuclear bomb.

    In the best case, Samsung will finish taking the white flag and starting to create their own designs, in the worst case, they could simply go to ruin.

    Hey Tim, get the checkbook, go and buy Samsung, close the company and sends all its employees to home.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=556405213 Fil Sapia

    Not gonna happen since Apple have already released an LTE iPad, they could just fall back onto that in court.

    • Greg Bissell

      You sir are a fucking moron, they didn’t sue them YET for the ipad you idiot

      • DrewNusser

        Easy, buddy.

  • gary

    i really hope the big multicolored apple gets whats coming.

  • Get a Clue

    FRAND. Someone tell Samsung about it. If their patents are essential to the standard, they’ll have to license them under FRAND terms. If they’re not essential then Apple will just find another way to implement it. Either way Samsung are putting into question the viability of LTE if they go forward with this nonsense.

  • Adeel

    I agree that apple absolutely deserve this injunction…but what if people are not able to get their hands on the iPhone 5 due to a ban, people will be disappointed and outraged and may even grow hate for Samsung due to this…but either way a phone is JUST A TOOL for communication, nothing else…if people can get outraged with this than humanity is at a peek of stupidity and further away from actual human nature and living…technology is made to be used as a tool, and people are created to be loved, yet we have grown to love technology and fight and argue with each other over pieces of, which will one day be, scrap metal, and in the process people are the ones being used…its just ridiculous, wake up ppl…

  • Adeel

    …Fight for HUMANITY…NOT technology….

  • https://www.facebook.com/max.chen2 Max Chen

    Yeah of course this will end. It’ll end once Samsung destroys Apple even if it has to go thermonuclear war on Apple’s bullshit design patents lol in all seriousness, I sure hope Steve Jobs didn’t envision this when he supposedly said what he did. That would make me leave any respect I have for him as an entrepreneur. He of all people should not have problems “borrowing” and claiming preexisting ideas/technology as their own (remember Xerox apple fanboys?)

    • http://www.facebook.com/oldero.brian Brian Oldero

      Steve jobs did the exact same things when he was alive that apple is doing now, it was just never on such a grand scale as the recent war with samsung.

  • yarrellray

    Google ” NEEDS TO BUD OUT PERIOD”. What’s good for the goose should be great for the gander. I applaud Samsung for standing up for what they need to do. No apple iphone should be LTE on any network anyway. Piss on Apple….

  • imhotepXXII

    Qualcomm and Nokia have no love for Samsung and both own more LTE IP than Sammy. I’m sure Apple is already signing deals to cover themselves. The fact that Google talking with Apple doesn’t help Samsungs position either. Sammy should learn not to tip their hand while playing cards.

    • yarrellray

      There is NO TIPPING HANDS HERE BUDDY. What GOOGLE and APPLE discussed had nothing to do with Samsung Firstly. What they spoke had everything to do with Motorola patents that Apple are terrified about. Trust me for Larry Page and Tim Cook to speak it’s about Apple/Motorola. It’s in apple best interest not to make any iphone with lte. If they do they will be sued plain and simple and will not win. That’s what happens when your late to the 4G / LTE party. They can make a wimax iphone or HSPA PLUS iphone but Lte it will be BANNED BEFORE LAUNCH plain and simple.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chung.tsang.948 Chung Tsang

    Samsung will make kick butt =D can’t wait to hear the news.

  • DJ

    Immortal78 is the Defender of Lost Causes :)) Argues for the sake of arguing even though his only defenses are he saw it on the iPhone first so no one else could’ve done it before them.

  • sj76

    jobs was an a hole who screwed everyone he came into contact with so he could be rich and in control ,looks like karma is a bitch

    • sj76

      look it up