First T-Mobile G1 user review

Kaziko your info is very much appreciated!! I pray that all is well with the fam... by PtheProfessional

Thanks again Kaz! Awesome info! by ren857

Wow, Thanks Kazi! You don't mind if i call you Kazi do you?

Take care and God Bless!

by Wolfie

This is great info! Thanks!

by thelazzyone

Thanks Kaziko and Androidcommunity for brightening my day

Only a couple more weeks before we can all provide our own reviews! by TheBlur

woot! Thanks for the great review, the Q&A Session was very informative. thanks again. by oomikeyboy

except the battery charger that makes the phone hot, all cons are a matter of software which is not a real problem!! by gontran

Thanks Kaziko for the great review! I hope you keep us updated on any new information you think we may need or want to know. by Drzprince973

thanks alot this answers most of my question by swaney29

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Originally Posted by gontran

except the battery charger that makes the phone hot, all cons are a matter of software which is not a real problem!!

This might just be the specific model I have... prerelease phones are never the same as the ones that are released to consumers. by kaziko

Awesome info....very much appreciated!!! by kunglo27

nice nice.

does the keyboard light up? also does the trackball light up. by JohnnyLicious

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLicious

nice nice.

does the keyboard light up? also does the trackball light up.

Keyboard - Yes

Trackball - No by PtheProfessional

Good Job!!!

Cant wait to get mine! by 1279

Hopefully the memory leak, application stuttering, and file folder issues will get fixed in an update (along with tethering support). Though, I wouldn't be surprised if the file foldering issue isn't on purpose.

Remember that Google is an advocate of "tags/labels and searching, not folders". They do this in their bookmarks application, and in their mail application. I wouldn't be surprised to see that philosophy continue on to Android, despite the fact that they could, and should, support both. (netvouz is a great example of an on-line bookmark service which does both tagging and foldering) by johnkzin

Thanks kaziko for the review. Just a question: is-it possible to charge the phone via a usb cable plugged on a computer? thank you for your answer. by gontran

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Originally Posted by gontran

Thanks kaziko for the review. Just a question: is-it possible to charge the phone via a usb cable plugged on a computer? thank you for your answer.

I have a question similar to that. I've heard rumors that you will not be able to use some/all of the applications while charging the phone. Is that really the case? by TheBlur

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Originally Posted by PtheProfessional

Keyboard - Yes

Trackball - No

thanks alot. by JohnnyLicious

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLicious

thanks alot.

No probelem

by PtheProfessional

Wired.com took Kaz's review and put a negative spin on it!!! http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/1...le-g1-bug.html

"The first of the user reviews are trickling in and it is not exactly a big thumbs up for the T-Mobile G1, the device based on Google's newly launched Android operating system that will be available starting Oct. 22.
The G1 is HTC Sidekick phone "on massive steroids" but "does not run as smoothly as you would think" says a review posted by a user with the handle 'kaziko' on AndroidCommunity.com" by ren857

WIRED is really starting to piss me off!!! by PtheProfessional

wired is freakin retarded.

dont let it get to you. by JohnnyLicious

Will it be able to play .flv files? Will the web browser be able to play .flv online? Thanks for the great review.

by Pikcachu20

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Originally Posted by ren857

Wired.com took Kaz's review and put a negative spin on it!!! http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/1...le-g1-bug.html

"The first of the user reviews are trickling in and it is not exactly a big thumbs up for the T-Mobile G1, the device based on Google's newly launched Android operating system that will be available starting Oct. 22.
The G1 is HTC Sidekick phone "on massive steroids" but "does not run as smoothly as you would think" says a review posted by a user with the handle 'kaziko' on AndroidCommunity.com"

HAHAHAHAHAHAH...quote-mining at its finest.

edit: NM read the article...they didn't really put a negative spin on it but they sure as hell didn't make it seem as lightly passable as Kaz did.... by Absolute

I appreciate review. However I suspect that the reviewed phone was TEST VERSION and not final release device. The reason is - bluetooth stereo worked initially but after the upgrade the option was lost totally (!?!)
I cannot wait until 22nd to get my G1

by NetCom

thanks alot kaz. i found this really useful. i really hope that the browsing and battery can b much smoother! by rawskilz

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Originally Posted by Absolute

HAHAHAHAHAHAH...quote-mining at its finest.

edit: NM read the article...they didn't really put a negative spin on it but they sure as hell didn't make it seem as lightly passable as Kaz did....

Yeah it seems they took all my cons for the whole review... then at the bottom had a very minute redemtion paragraph with the pros. Also most of the cons seem to have disapeared. The hot battery issue only applied because I wasn't using the USB cable that came with the phone. I was using my older USB cable which might have caused the problems. Also their is a mistake in my review about the instant messaging clients. Gtalk,AIM,Windows Live, and Yahoo are included, not the ones stated above... I must have typed it in my sleep deprived state of mind. by kaziko

Thanks Kaziko, what about the "stuttering"? Im curious about that, how bad is it? Also the memory leak has me thinking. I had enough of memory leaks with WM. by Driguez

Wired is really good, they were only stating what they got from the article. I can say that it was without a bias opinion. Based on the facts that were reported its not looking as good out of the box as expected. There is nothing in the review that can be said about what will come. by refused9150

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Originally Posted by kaziko

Yeah it seems they took all my cons for the whole review... then at the bottom had a very minute redemtion paragraph with the pros. Also most of the cons seem to have disapeared. The hot battery issue only applied because I wasn't using the USB cable that came with the phone. I was using my older USB cable which might have caused the problems. Also their is a mistake in my review about the instant messaging clients. Gtalk,AIM,Windows Live, and Yahoo are included, not the ones stated above... I must have typed it in my sleep deprived state of mind.

Yeah Kaz, we are posting about the Wired blurb here - http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f...html#post18597

We are also finding your words popping up on other sites...doggone watchdogs! by djdlite512

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Originally Posted by kaziko

Yeah it seems they took all my cons for the whole review... then at the bottom had a very minute redemtion paragraph with the pros. Also most of the cons seem to have disapeared. The hot battery issue only applied because I wasn't using the USB cable that came with the phone. I was using my older USB cable which might have caused the problems. Also their is a mistake in my review about the instant messaging clients. Gtalk,AIM,Windows Live, and Yahoo are included, not the ones stated above... I must have typed it in my sleep deprived state of mind.

We all know there is a lot of good. The bad though is what has yet to be reported. It really stands out among people. And T-Mobile so far is the only source that has really reported on this and shown it to us. They wont tell you the negatives. Wired was really only giving people the answers that they are looking for, where does it come short? Someone has to play the devil's advocate. by refused9150

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Originally Posted by refused9150

We all know there is a lot of good. The bad though is what has yet to be reported. It really stands out among people. And T-Mobile so far is the only source that has really reported on this and shown it to us. They wont tell you the negatives. Wired was really only giving people the answers that they are looking for, where does it come short? Someone has to play the devil's advocate.

I understand that, but did they have to title the article "G1 is buggy says reviewer"? That makes it sound like the G1 is crap - not taking the whole review in and just focusing on the negative.

Then again...what am I thinking? The author of this blog is obviously trying to get a lot of traffic to his site (and I helped him! fancy that...lol). What better way to do that then to post something, I think, was negative about a device that hasn't been released yet. by ren857

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Originally Posted by refused9150

We all know there is a lot of good. The bad though is what has yet to be reported. It really stands out among people. And T-Mobile so far is the only source that has really reported on this and shown it to us. They wont tell you the negatives. Wired was really only giving people the answers that they are looking for, where does it come short? Someone has to play the devil's advocate.

You are being really nice... r u on their payroll...lol
Thats decent though, until we hear Wired say: "More reviews from user's @ AC - Yahoo msg is included, battery was hot because.... blah blah blah"

Just sayin... by dkvitus

when you are on call for a long time, does the bottom of the phone get as hot as when it is being charged on the battery charger? by almightyA

great review!

so i guess to get the $19.99 data plan you have to do it when the G1 is released? because the website for pre orders only give you the $25 or $35 data plan options w/ the text by cto424

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Originally Posted by dkvitus

You are being really nice... r u on their payroll...lol
Thats decent though, until we hear Wired say: "More reviews from user's @ AC - Yahoo msg is included, battery was hot because.... blah blah blah"

Just sayin...

I just respect what they are saying and their opinion. I know how good they are at what they do, I see where they are coming from and what they are doing. by refused9150

Thanks Kaziko! BTW how did the pattern lock work out? by mast3rpyr0

I don't understand how this phone could not be the final version of the product when the release is 13 days away?

What can they do to "fix" the known issues and release a "final version" that is days away?

Can someone explain this to me? by VGPOP

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Originally Posted by VGPOP

I don't understand how this phone could not be the final version of the product when the release is 13 days away?

What can they do to "fix" the known issues and release a "final version" that is days away?

Can someone explain this to me?

Firmware upgrade!
What known issues are those? Please enlighten us... by dkvitus

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Originally Posted by dkvitus

Firmware upgrade!
What known issues are those? Please enlighten us...

The "Cons" that the reviewer posted.

I think I read somewhere that someone said it was perhaps not "the final release" of the phone. by VGPOP

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Originally Posted by VGPOP

The "Cons" that the reviewer posted.

I think I read somewhere that someone said it was perhaps not "the final release" of the phone.

I think Kaz cleared some of the cons earlier, we also have to remember that he is not in a 3G covered area.

About the stuttering...Hmmmmm by dkvitus

It makes me very sad to hear that the trackball doesnt light up like the sidekicks >_< i was really looking forward to that! The sidekicks trackball is so entertaining! But so far that is the ONLY thing that has actually disappointed me about the dream....

by matthewboii

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Originally Posted by matthewboii

It makes me very sad to hear that the trackball doesnt light up like the sidekicks >_< i was really looking forward to that! The sidekicks trackball is so entertaining! But so far that is the ONLY thing that has actually disappointed me about the dream....

well thats why the sidekick is appealing to little kids and teens, because of features like that

the G1 fits perfectly between teeny and a adult phone

by Technickal

nevermind..................... by Technickal

I actually think its a great review and am still as excited as I was when I pre-ordered my G1 as soon as the pre-order site was up on the 23rd. Im really not too concerned with the cons because as a few have already stated, it mostly sounds like a bunch of thing that a firmware update could easily remedy. No, phone is without its own share of initial bugs, but in my opinion, the G1 appears to be a pretty polished handset for a 1st gen effort. I currently have an LX and a 3G iphone and cannot wait for this phone so that I can possibly get rid of the other 2 altogether. And just to throw it in, the iphone is nice, its sexy, but it is far from perfect...and yes folks, it drops calls as much as people say it does...all in all, I cant wait and am excited by the possibility of android pushing the mobile phone envelope with its open OS by amac14

I don't know how you got the phone early but thanks for the review.

by secrecyguy

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Originally Posted by secrecyguy

I don't know how you got the phone early but thanks for the review.

He is an authorized retailer, that deals directly with the manufacturing company and not through T-mo (Hope I'm not wrong...) by dkvitus

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Originally Posted by dkvitus

He is an authorized retailer, that deals directly with the manufacturing company and not through T-mo (Hope I'm not wrong...)

I'm actually offended about the Authorized Retailer aspect. I am not affiliated with an AR...We are a Master Dealer, a part of T-Mobile not too many people know about. Master dealers are wholesale companies that provide the phones directly to T-Mobile at minimal upcost, and in doing this T-Mobile allows us to sell their products and offer their services/customer care. Unlike Authorized Retailer's, Master dealers spend the same amount of time in training that T-Mobile Corporate locations do, compared to the AR's 5 hours of classroom training and that's it. Our owner happens to be affiliated with extremely high members in the T-Mobile Corporate World and was able to get a few devices for our location managers to experiment with and somewhat of a reward for hard work and dedication we provide at the minimal wages we recieve (>^^>) by kaziko

The cons I posted in my review have changed. The battery overheating was due to the fact that I wasn't using the usb charger that came with the G1. The stutter from some programs is because I'm not in a 3G area and I'm using Edge so it has a load time. The memory leak was from a bad application install from the market, I went into a no coverage area while downloading and app and aparently it got corrupt and the Android Test Phone I have did not have error handling for that particular problem and it just leaked memory slowing the phone down... by kaziko

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Originally Posted by kaziko

The cons I posted in my review have changed. The battery overheating was due to the fact that I wasn't using the usb charger that came with the G1. The stutter from some programs is because I'm not in a 3G area and I'm using Edge so it has a load time. The memory leak was from a bad application install from the market, I went into a no coverage area while downloading and app and aparently it got corrupt and the Android Test Phone I have did not have error handling for that particular problem and it just leaked memory slowing the phone down...

thanks for clearing that up for us by rawskilz

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Originally Posted by kaziko

I'm actually offended about the Authorized Retailer aspect. I am not affiliated with an AR...We are a Master Dealer, a part of T-Mobile not too many people know about. Master dealers are wholesale companies that provide the phones directly to T-Mobile at minimal upcost, and in doing this T-Mobile allows us to sell their products and offer their services/customer care. Unlike Authorized Retailer's, Master dealers spend the same amount of time in training that T-Mobile Corporate locations do, compared to the AR's 5 hours of classroom training and that's it. Our owner happens to be affiliated with extremely high members in the T-Mobile Corporate World and was able to get a few devices for our location managers to experiment with and somewhat of a reward for hard work and dedication we provide at the minimal wages we recieve (>^^>)

I stand Corrected... Thanks for the patience in breaking this down to include every detail. by dkvitus

I'm in an area with no 3G- so I'll be using the G1 with EDGE.

Can you describe exactly what you mean by applications "stuttering" on loading?

What exactly happens?

Thanks a ton!!!

some other questions- will it display flash on webpages?

Can you surf right over to a site hosting FLV files (like youtube, engadget, etc) and watch them?

How do CSS/Ajax elements display in the browser- for example, widgets on Igoogle.com

These will not display at all on a sidekick.. by tiki

Q1. When viewing videos whether they be your own on a microSDHC or streaming off youtube, does the video display play on the whole screen or is it modified &put into a widescreen sort of display? Does it take up all of the screen when playing the video?

Q2. Is there a flash on the camera? Or any functions to change it so the image can come up clearer in low light?

Q3. You said that the bottom of the phone got hot when you were charging it. But then you later found out that it was because you weren't using the USB cable to charge it, so that was causing the heating problem. What exactly were you using to charge it &what do you have to use when charging it? It comes with a charge &the USB cable. by embrace LB

Q1. When viewing videos whether they be your own on a microSDHC or streaming off youtube, does the video display play on the whole screen or is it modified &put into a widescreen sort of display? Does it take up all of the screen when playing the video?

First off there's no app out of box to play videos off the SD card. But from what i've seen the Youtube application opens sideways and takes up the whole screen.

Q2. Is there a flash on the camera? Or any functions to change it so the image can come up clearer in low light?

No. There's autofocus, but that might not help in low light.

Q3. You said that the bottom of the phone got hot when you were charging it. But then you later found out that it was because you weren't using the USB cable to charge it, so that was causing the heating problem. What exactly were you using to charge it &what do you have to use when charging it? It comes with a charge &the USB cable.

Guessing here but he was probably using a generic (Cheap) USB cable, not the one that comes with the box by Cricketman

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Originally Posted by secrecyguy

I don't know how you got the phone early but thanks for the review.

Well, I wen't to a T-Mobile store to see if they have the phone on display so I can play around with it before I get it on the 22nd. When I went there I didn't see any on display, however to my surprise this kid that I went to HS with was working there. I came up to him and asked if they had any G1's, and then he took one out of his pocket! I was like "WTF? Where did you get that?" His response was - "Connections". he said he had the phone for a week now. So today, it will be around two weeks since he got the phone... I got to play around with it for about 30 seconds, and I gave it back, since I didn't want him to feel like I am going through his stuff. Well The phone feels great in the hand, it is very solid which I like a lot. Basically that is all I can say about it. LOL But from what I have read and saw I soooo can't wait for it to come already!

by StandYourGround

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! for the review. Whatever to the cons cause they will be fixed. CANT WAIT TILL THE 22nd. by ALittlelady87

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Originally Posted by kaziko

The cons I posted in my review have changed. The battery overheating was due to the fact that I wasn't using the usb charger that came with the G1. The stutter from some programs is because I'm not in a 3G area and I'm using Edge so it has a load time. The memory leak was from a bad application install from the market, I went into a no coverage area while downloading and app and aparently it got corrupt and the Android Test Phone I have did not have error handling for that particular problem and it just leaked memory slowing the phone down...

appreciate all the info. funny thing is that all the cons you mentioned are now posted everywhere and have a lot of people freakin out. on tmonews there's a whole thread dedicated to the memory leak and the review and then the post on wired.com. lol by Don Won

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Originally Posted by Cricketman

Q1. When viewing videos whether they be your own on a microSDHC or streaming off youtube, does the video display play on the whole screen or is it modified &put into a widescreen sort of display? Does it take up all of the screen when playing the video?

First off there's no app out of box to play videos off the SD card. But from what i've seen the Youtube application opens sideways and takes up the whole screen.

Q2. Is there a flash on the camera? Or any functions to change it so the image can come up clearer in low light?

No. There's autofocus, but that might not help in low light.

Q3. You said that the bottom of the phone got hot when you were charging it. But then you later found out that it was because you weren't using the USB cable to charge it, so that was causing the heating problem. What exactly were you using to charge it &what do you have to use when charging it? It comes with a charge &the USB cable.

Guessing here but he was probably using a generic (Cheap) USB cable, not the one that comes with the box

Thanks for answering my questions in a timely fashion, really appreciate it. I've got a few more questions that have slipped my mind. Hope you can answer then eventually when i can get them down. Thanks again. by embrace LB

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Q. Can I use my $19.95 unlimited family messaging plan with the $25 dollar G1 internet feature?
A. You can actually just use a $19.99 Data plan alongside the $19.95 messaging to eliminate wasting the $5.00, T-Mobile just doesn�t want people to know they can do this.

scoundrels! thanks. I will be calling CS tomorrow to discuss and adjust!! I knew that didn't sound right!

And thank you for your review and your amendments to the review. Enjoy that baby...might as well, since you aren't gonna be getting much sleep! by insight spinner

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Originally Posted by kaziko

The cons I posted in my review have changed. The battery overheating was due to the fact that I wasn't using the usb charger that came with the G1. The stutter from some programs is because I'm not in a 3G area and I'm using Edge so it has a load time. The memory leak was from a bad application install from the market, I went into a no coverage area while downloading and app and aparently it got corrupt and the Android Test Phone I have did not have error handling for that particular problem and it just leaked memory slowing the phone down...

No kidding, I LOVE that most of your cons have a reason. lol by missxoash

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Q. Can I use my $19.95 unlimited family messaging plan with the $25 dollar G1 internet feature?
A. You can actually just use a $19.99 Data plan alongside the $19.95 messaging to eliminate wasting the $5.00, T-Mobile just doesn�t want people to know they can do this.

What exactly is the $19.99 data plan? Because when you start a new 2yr contract they make you choose between 2 options.
A. $25 - data plan - unlimited data + 400 messages (SMS/MMS/IM/etc)
B. $35 - data plan - unlimited date + unlimited text messages.

whats thie $19.99 data plan you all speak about, would it be the same internet plan that i currently have now, which i use for my blackberry internet service?
I have a tmobile family plan unlimited texts which is $20 and the internet is $20, how does this all work out? I'm quite confused. How much will i be paying if i want unlimited everything &which plan would give me unlimited text/data for the lowest price? Which is the best combo? Help? by embrace LB

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Originally Posted by refused9150

Android Community has done it again, this time we bring you an exclusive first time user review of T-Mobile?s G1. Forum member kaziko has given us a sneak peak at T-Mobile?s first device to run Google?s Android operating system. He put together... Read more

Can you please do an update on the article and note that it is a pre-release phone, with older firmware that was updated after the review, as well as include kaziko's explanations for many of the cons.

Other websites are starting to link to this review and they tend to highlight the cons, and it gives a very bad first impression of Android (the memory leak and stuttering especially), which I don't think is actually representative of it, given the phone is pre-release with older firmware and the explanation of the cons isn't that clear in the original article. I'm just worried of the unnessary negative articles that might be written because of this.

Thank you. by stopcrazypp

Thnx for the review, it makes want my phone even more now by bigzae

HUH!

Con's: Video playback is very limited. The G1 would not play .mpg or .wmv files which are pretty much the standard when it comes to videos downloaded off the net.

I am very disapointment. BlackBerry Storm and HTC Touch Pro do have the wmv files! Videomail is the best messages for Deaf Communities.

Deaf Communities will be disapointment as I do! by seriousthinker

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Originally Posted by stopcrazypp

Can you please do an update on the article and note that it is a pre-release phone, with older firmware that was updated after the review, as well as include kaziko's explanations for many of the cons.

Other websites are starting to link to this review and they tend to highlight the cons, and it gives a very bad first impression of Android (the memory leak and stuttering especially), which I don't think is actually representative of it, given the phone is pre-release with older firmware and the explanation of the cons isn't that clear in the original article. I'm just worried of the unnessary negative articles that might be written because of this.

Thank you.

yeah kaz you need to make a post and retract all those things you said. now it's on phone dog too and just from those things you said, the G1 is getting bad press now. if i was t-mobile or google i would be upset with the stuff you said without really knowing. you started a fire, now you need to put it out. by Don Won

It's on several sites giving the iFanatics cause for false celebration. It will be nearly impossible to clear up this mess unless the site writers come here, learn the reason for the problems and retract/ammend their stories.

The headlines of the stories stand out much more than what can be corrected in the comments by PDXMatt

For A Family Plan, With 2 People Or More Wanting Unlimited Text And Data, The Best Combo Would Be 19.99 Minutes Plus 19.99 Data.
Just because For That With The G1 IS 35 Bucks for one phone. But With 2 Would Be 70!
Whats Better .? 40 Dlls or 80 Dlls? lol by uga.buga

it's on engadget now too. Kaz you need to do something about this quick. you could solely be responsible for G1 sales being hurt by this bad press. this review is everywhere now. how many people that were sitting on the fence about this product are now actually not going to buy this? not everyone is a part of AC and can see that you took a lot of that stuff back. by Don Won

thanks for the review mate. How bad is the Mem leaks ?

EDIT : ( after reading some of the above comments )
There is nothing wrong with letting others know whats wrong with the device. by Freeware4Android

can you guys elaborate on the 19.99 family plan and the 19.99 data plan please by danest

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Originally Posted by Don Won

it's on engadget now too. Kaz you need to do something about this quick. you could solely be responsible for G1 sales being hurt by this bad press. this review is everywhere now. how many people that were sitting on the fence about this product are now actually not going to buy this? not everyone is a part of AC and can see that you took a lot of that stuff back.

You're joking, right? You have to be kidding!

What exactly can he do now? Those blogs will not retract their articles because he changed his review. And I, personally, never base a purchase on one review. And how in the heck can he be responsible for less sales of the G1? by ren857

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Originally Posted by danest

can you guys elaborate on the 19.99 family plan and the 19.99 data plan please

What exactly would you like to know about it? by ren857

Great review. Thanks for all your work. by ROGUE7474

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Originally Posted by kaziko

The cons I posted in my review have changed. The battery overheating was due to the fact that I wasn't using the usb charger that came with the G1. The stutter from some programs is because I'm not in a 3G area and I'm using Edge so it has a load time. The memory leak was from a bad application install from the market, I went into a no coverage area while downloading and app and aparently it got corrupt and the Android Test Phone I have did not have error handling for that particular problem and it just leaked memory slowing the phone down...

heh, that'll show wired magazine for reporting on hearsay by MattyMatt5481

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Originally Posted by Freeware4Android

thanks for the review mate. How bad is the Mem leaks ?

EDIT : ( after reading some of the above comments )
There is nothing wrong with letting others know whats wrong with the device.

there's nothing wrong with the device. you need to go back and read where kaz took all that stuff back. the stuttering was from him being on edge, the memory leak was from a bad app, and the bottom was getting hot because he wasn't using the charger that came with the phone. and now all these websites are saying the phone has "massive memory leaks" because of kaz's review. by Don Won

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Originally Posted by ren857

You're joking, right? You have to be kidding!

What exactly can he do now? Those blogs will not retract their articles because he changed his review. And I, personally, never base a purchase on one review. And how in the heck can he be responsible for less sales of the G1?

are you serious? not everyone researches products like some us do, before they buy it. a lot of people buy things on hearsay. so if numerous websites are reporting "massive memory leaks" and so forth, you don't think that will sway people's decisions on buying the phone.

i don't purchase things just on reviews either, but a lot of people do. that's all i'm saying. uhhhm, he can review it again and take back the things he said. obviously people are paying attention to this website. by Don Won

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Originally Posted by Don Won

are you serious? not everyone researches products like some us do, before they buy it. a lot of people buy things on hearsay. so if numerous websites are reporting "massive memory leaks" and so forth, you don't think that will sway people's decisions on buying the phone.

i don't purchase things just on reviews either, but a lot of people do. that's all i'm saying. uhhhm, he can review it again and take back the things he said. obviously people are paying attention to this website.

I don't think Kaz has to do anything, it's just refused9150 has to do an update on the article so that all the news sites linking to it are going to show the update. Most people will NOT read the actual link so they won't know about the update unless it is explicitly in the article. I've read news blogs enough to know this. I'll probably PM him. by stopcrazypp

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Originally Posted by stopcrazypp

I don't think Kaz has to do anything, it's just refused9150 has to do an update on the article so that all the news sites linking to it are going to show the update. Most people will NOT read the actual link so they won't know about the update unless it is explicitly in the article. I've read news blogs enough to know this. I'll probably PM him.

We are in an industry where what is said is said, we can't take back the things we have already said. We talked with him and told him what is said can't be taken back. I reported only what was there, and did not add anything to the content. I can't control what others are saying.

With a new phone such as this everyone knows the pros, that is why people are focusing on the cons. Everyone knows the cons about the stuttering and having to reset are all common problems of initial release phones, and can be later fixed. This is not a pre-production phone. It is a phone in the same stage of development as any other phone customers will get. T-Mobile wont tell you the cons. Even T-Mobile does not have a problem with these stories.

It seems now that every con is somehow taken back as soon as word gets around. Now I am not stupid, I have been doing this for some time now. It appears someone is just trying to cover there ass so they don't get in trouble because the story got picked up by others and is not out there. That's how the internet works. When you put something on there you risk it getting out everywhere, you cant take it back.

Not trying to be harsh but most of everything on the internet can not be controlled. by refused9150

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Originally Posted by ren857

What exactly would you like to know about it?

i have looked on the tmobile site for the 19.99 data plan but i have not been able to find it(i cant find what is included in the plan)..how would you get this on the G1 when it comes?

and what is the 19.99 family plan? by danest

I have a question about the G1 and since kaziko physically has one maybe he'd be willing to test something for me. If you have an extra blank MicroSD card and a computer running linux could you run a mkfs on the blank card and format the card as ext2? I'm really curious if the G1 can utilize other file systems then vFAT because ext2 would be far more reliable and faster for storage. Also have you seen any apps or does the device it self allow you to drop to the console and issue commands? Are there any Microsoft remote desktop compatible apps? I figure someone would have compiled rdesktop over by now. How about telnet and ssh? by joshtheitguy

i don't believe anything on this review, i think his making an opinion on somebody else opinion, release day is oct 22 2008 from what i know(i could be wrong, but how much can we thrust this source?) and if the battery overheat that bad, wouldn't they notice that their hand is freaking burning? we will find out after the toy is release.... by shaky777

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Originally Posted by danest

i have looked on the tmobile site for the 19.99 data plan but i have not been able to find it(i cant find what is included in the plan)..how would you get this on the G1 when it comes?

and what is the 19.99 family plan?

I would also like to know how to go about getting the $19.99 data plan on the G1.

the $19.99 family plan is an unlimited text plan for a family plan. by cto424

I have to say, that I do agree with updating the review. I know that you cant retract the initial statements, but there is no reason not to update the review... by PtheProfessional

So all of you how are NICELY asking for an update here is one from another member.

http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f...1-review-2112/ by New World

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Originally Posted by New World

So all of you how are NICELY asking for an update here is one from another member.

http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f...1-review-2112/

I'm sorry if it seems as if I am making this a big deal, but I don't see what is wrong with posting an update to the first review or even posting the review done by
snoslicer8? by PtheProfessional

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Originally Posted by PtheProfessional

I'm sorry if it seems as if I am making this a big deal, but I don't see what is wrong with posting an update to the first review or even posting the review done by
snoslicer8?

Don't worry you didn't make a big deal out of it

by New World

We have established what is going on. You can go back and re-write the news just because someone changed their mind half way through. Until I can confirm it wither way I will not update it PERIOD. I can't go risking my integrity because of what someone says after the fact. No other source would do this so don't expect me to. by refused9150

Master Dealers are basically a extension of Tmobile. They provide customer service and products to authorized retailers. I was a AR and purchased from MD's. It's much better dealing with them directly instead of dealing with TMob CS. by LtData

Does anybody know if there is an international keyboard on the G1?
I'm on the fence about G1 or the iPhone. On the iPhone, you have international keyboard that supports east asian characters (korean, chineses, japanese). by jkrn2003

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Originally Posted by cto424

I would also like to know how to go about getting the $19.99 data plan on the G1.

the $19.99 family plan is an unlimited text plan for a family plan.

I am not sure if T-Mobile will allow you to switch to the Total Internet Plan ($19.99) after you receive your G1. Anyway, most people log into my.t-mobile, and change the internet service from there. However, when you are logged in, you have to change the phone in you profile to another phone (except blackberries and sidekicks and G1 of course), and the option for the $19.99 data plan will be available for you to choose. The option will not be available if the G1 (or sidekick or blackberry) is the phone in your profile. by ren857

The blackberry Pearl 8220 on T-mobile USA will be selling this fall and it will be priced on higher side then expected, may be it will see a price drop like BOLD did in Canada.
here are the prices
New Activation 2 Year Contract $149.99 (after $50 MIR)
New Activation 1 Year Contract $199.99 (after $50 MIR)
Full Upgrade 2 Year Contract $167.99 (after $50 MIR)
Full Upgrade 1 Year Contract $217.99 (after $50 MIR)
Retail Price: $349.99
Dealer Price: $249.99.

http://blog.fommy.com/archives/647 by Fommy_USA

Unclear about the plan fees....G1 is $25 with 400 text and unlimited is $35. The $19.95 data is EDGE correct....For those of us in G3 coverage the fee is $25 (with 400 text) or $35 no if-and-or buts, however, if I am understanding, those with the unlimited text family plans can keep them with the $25 G3 coverage (I have the grandfather unlimited family text @ $9.95) thereby costing me $25 for G3 and $9.95 for up to 5 lines for unlimited text, which is a better deal than the $35 for G3 and unlimited per each and every G1 phone..... by here.david

^^^hmm that is good to know...so i guess i will be sticking with the $25 plan...thanks by cto424

I just got my G1 tonight but cant activate it, Tmobile customer support said that the data plan isn't available until the 22nd, is there any way to bypass the setup screen becuase right now I am stuck at the part where it is trying to connect to my google account and I cant even cancel it and use the phone minus the internet part? if you could give me any info I would much appreciate it. by henry.mark.e

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Originally Posted by henry.mark.e

I just got my G1 tonight but cant activate it, Tmobile customer support said that the data plan isn't available until the 22nd, is there any way to bypass the setup screen becuase right now I am stuck at the part where it is trying to connect to my google account and I cant even cancel it and use the phone minus the internet part? if you could give me any info I would much appreciate it.

wow, you're so lucky! how'd you manage getting it today? Anyway, my best suggestion is to create a new thread and post this there. One thing I think you could try is sighing the 19.99 internet plan, but I have no clue. by she a g e e

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry.mark.e

I just got my G1 tonight but cant activate it, Tmobile customer support said that the data plan isn't available until the 22nd, is there any way to bypass the setup screen becuase right now I am stuck at the part where it is trying to connect to my google account and I cant even cancel it and use the phone minus the internet part? if you could give me any info I would much appreciate it.

There is a thread about going into safe mode on your G1. It said that you need to hold the "menu" button down during the whole start up of your phone. by crispyone

heyy i have a question about da plan for the G1..... i currently have da sidekick plan along wit da family plan...can i still keep my plan or will i have 2 change it and pay more...idk im really confused wit da whole issue =/ can sum1 help me out??? thanksz!! =] by mszchula57

your gonna have to change your plan! by dosz

DO U KNOW IF THEY'LL UPGRADE THE BATTERY, THE BATTERY LIFE IS SO POOR....I CONTANTLY HAVE 2 CHARGE MY PHONE. (NOTE) MAKE SURE U BRING A CAR CHARGER JUST IN CASE & AS 4 THE RING TONE SOUND,BECAUSE THE SPEAKER IS ON THE BACK OF THE PHONE I FOUND THAT IF U LAY YOUR PHONE ON IT'S BACK OR PUT IT IN HOLSTER THE
SOUND IS REDEUCED BY 50% AND END UP GETTING MISSED CALLS.....

HELP! by amano123

I really like G1, but is there a way for me to get the vibrate to last a bit longer? I am deaf and I use G1 for the data and texting. I need the vibrate to last a bit longer.

Oh, and I would love to see the battery life get improve. I had MDA with a larger battery and I did not mind the bulky feel to it as long as I get extra battery life. by medusaorange

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Posted on 09 October 2008 by Staff Editor
Tags: android, android phone, G1, hands-on, htc, leak, T-Mobile, T-Mobile-G1

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