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They are now running scared, CDMA is old news. I`m pretty sure some of our esteemed trolls here on this board work for Verizon, whats the matter? Jealous of Android?

oh ya... verizon bread n butter are ****ty ass LG phones... they do nothing they are ugly and they have really really really bad names...

chocolate, envy....

CDMA was old news 5 years ago. oh but wait... they have the largest 3g network in the nation according to thier billboards.

While most of this is just Verizon in-house e-mail(notice that this is a corporate e-mail to be read by sales staffs), the biggest and most valid point they have is that they offer turn-by-turn GPS while the G1 does not. Outside of this being corrected(which has already been seen by programs like AndNav, and I'm sure more in the future), they have no room to talk because their handsets are boring and too small. I like the G1 a lot more than the iPhone I had(returned after one day) because the price is right and the open community means programs will be coming and never stopping, also the devleopers walking away with 70% profit from their programs means that the prices will be cheaper than other phones with similar markets. When considering a new phone, however, Verizon wasn't even on my radar and I never even looked into them. Turn-by-turn is really all they have on the G1.

CDMA on a iphone running windows is there only hope.. really some arguments are valid and point towards t-mobile more than the g1 itself, but i think its morso to hurt t-mobile. And they will have to bash the g1 phone along with the plan and service to have a better effect.

I think they will be eating their words when alot more develops over time on the android os, and i think they know this the same.. reason for bashing!

I sincerely hope the Blackberry Storm backs up all the ish they're talking... cuz if it doesn't, this is quite laughable.

All i got to say is WOW. Most of their points, any of us can have a rebutal on hand. Only thing i agree is Turn by Turn, of course all of us are expecting it will be readily available sooner or later, AndNav being the first already on the market. Jeez the phone has been out, what? 2 weeks?

I think Verizon should have done a comparison with the LG phones they sell I'm sure they would have beat the G1 ROFL!!!

There are some legitimate points made by the e-mail/flyer - and in fairness to Verizon, T-Mobile does the exact same kind of things.

I worked for two different T-Mobile locations and we were given "competition binders" so that we knew about the other guys phones, plans and current promotions.

I dont think there is anything wrong with it.

I do wish to point out that Verizon has yet to really have that super hot "it phone" yet. They will try with the storm and have had success with their Voyager, but I love the capabilities of my G1.

While Verizon makes some very real points with this, the thing that they DON'T address is that the G1 isn't static, it isn't locked into it's code at the time of release, and because it has the potential to be updated. Verizon locks and cripples their phones, and once you've bought it you have to be pretty brave to attempt any modifications.

one-word: Jealousy!

That they didn't took the plunge first with the Open-Source w/Google OS

& I was almost crazy enough to switch over to Verizon...once I saw how much I'd be spending more w/them I went running back to T-Mobile before I made a huge mistake.

I posted a similar thread about this too.. here is the article I read when I first heard about it...
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/...ireles_21.html

I really think it's lame that they decided the only way to battle their competition is to put others down... I supose at this points they have realized their own inadequacies and instead of marketing their their own positive attributes they have resulted in the exact opposite...
I really have lost much respect for Verizon...

Oh and I wanted to point out... With a new OS and a developing marketplace... it is only a matter of time before many of the short falls will be resolved....
an example is...
Verizon says "The G1 doesn't support corporate email for MS exchange..."
Oh yeah? Are you sure about that Mr. Verizon Wireless?
take a look at this....
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=14539
(Exchange coming to Android)
What now??!??!!?? Speechless???
Like many of G1's shortfalls... many of these problems will be ratified with time... with our open source and Google's on going support of developers... it's only a matter of when...
So Mr. Verizon Wireless... Kiss my optimistic Android booty!!

Ouch, what haters!

I think this list of short comings should be readdressed in say 90 days.
Verizon will be hard pressed to list anything then. Android will evolve into a OS/Interface far better and more robust than anything Verizon has.....
Did I mention that Verizon stinks. Not only their phones but their business practices.

fhaines

The one VALID point they have here is turn-by-turn, BUT to get "tbt" you have to pay (as with any other decent network feature on VERIZON) out the rectum for it. I think its like an additional 14.95 a month just to even use gps on your phone, and I think you have to have data to use as well which is 59.99 for unlimited if memory serves. VERIZON charges for EVERYTHING I am surprised they dont charge monthly for the time that your phone is powered on.

they are only sayn all this kuz they got the storm
big effin whoop
its like all they fones look almost the same && all do the same things
t mobile thot outside the box && got all the love so o well
let thm think wht thy want. the writing is on the walls
ppl like G1s && some ppl dnt
&& for those who dnt [based on others biased opinions] are gonna miss out on sumthn prettayyy cool B-D

thy are out to steal future G1 buyers and make them hop on thy boat

Garmin is going to be creating an app if I remember correctly. That would rule out the Turn-by-turn navigation issue.

We are talking about a carrier with plenty of phones attacking a single phone. Not even the entire Android platform.

awe, man.. like THEY have room to talk about a device's limitations..haha.. I must say i was a bit dissapointed with many of the g1's shortfalls, but it beats any of verizons phones hands down on the simple fact that verizon grossly limits every handset they carry. They lock down just about every phone they have to the point where its unrecognizable, limit its capabilities, stunt its software, get rid of any features a user may utilize to get some small service for free or more conveinently, or some perk they havent figured out how to charge for - not to mention, people were paying monthly to use downloaded games what i was paying for one time only to use the game forever. Sure some of thier LG's may possibly on paper be better than the g1, but once you get the actual phone, you wouldnt even know it ater theyve butchered the software. Thier coverage may be better, but the big V still stinks as a carrier.

Not to mention, i get that theyer both cell phones and providers, but comparing anything on GSM to anything on CDMA is like apples and oranges. Verizon bashing the g1 is a moot point. They have no ground to stand on. The only people who would fall for it are likely people who are so unfamiliar with cell tech that theyd probably be better off with verizon anyway- cause they force users to hold their metiphorical hand throughout their entire contracts.

Heh, sorry.. i really hate verizon. Their advertizing and usability tactics are just as bad as apples.

I think each and every point mentioned by Verizon is very valid as of today. Those are G1's major flaws. But the distinguishing factor is that if those were on another phone, they will be fatal. On the G1? Not so much. They can be easily corrected, just need more time.

Hey, this is competitive business at work. It is the result of a SWOT analysis: Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats. After the analysis, a strategy for "selling against the competition" is developed. The angle they take, of course, is the the out-of-the-box capabilities of the G1, and not what other apps further enhance it nor what is coming "down the road".

Some of the things they say are only half true, but that is true enough. "Limited coverage" sounds bad, the fact that for me, that same coverage covers 92% of my locales through the year makes it seem less limiting. "Limits music to OTA..." is only in the Amazon sense, but is not true in general. As always, "buyer beware" and most are not.

Just good healthy competition, and the underscore of the Verizon selling "cheat sheet" is that they view G1 as a credible and serious threat.

Mark

How about this ?

Is this true that you only have 128mb for installing application ? what if you have install a extra memory card ?

WAAAAAHHHHH!!! Give me a break. Some of those "points" are really reaching.

1. I fail to understand why would anyone use this particular phone for corporate email or synching with a PC when it seems like most of Google's services are web-based. WinMo and BlackBerry devices are intended to do these things. Problem solved.

2. Big deal with "no audible turn-by-turn directions". Has Google Maps done that on any phone? And oh yeah, this is a PHONE! Why not just get a Garmin if one wants turn-by-turn directions? Problem solved.

I believe Google and this Open OS is the epitome of the Hacker Ethic. Give the citizenry the freedom to make something better and they will. Restrict their options/freedom and they will find a way around these restrictions... by choosing a product that gives them the freedom they seek.

These cell phone companies have no concept of this . I would pay a considerable amount of money if they would just stop restricting the phones and charging to unlock each and every feature. Just charge me a lump sum for all the unlimited feature and you would have my money.

Google and the Open OS have the right idea. Just look at how many "Hackers" {I don't mean it in the negative sense} are going to be trouble shooting this OS and improving it. Not to mention all the Apps that are going to be available in the near future.

Guess what my X-Mas present is gonna be this year?


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i like to check my gmail with the directions emailed to me while talking on speaker phone while i get lost and have dgAway respond to incoming texts and making my hidden LED blink the color of my choice and phone vibrate at my chosen vibration pattern and visually seeing little pop up IMs from AIM on Hello AIM and have voicemails automatically downloaded into my phone all the while hearing sweet sound of my MGS Alert notification ringtone.

yea i can dream my G1 ever be that active. for now, i just stalk the market.

70MB for installing apps, and you can't install apps on the memory card. That said, I still have 35MB free now, even with Market taking up 11MB, and if I did a reset and restore, I'd easily get back to 45MB, which is more than enough for me. I don't keep apps that I don't use, and since Market is online and always available, I install apps that I don't use frequently on an as-needed basis, then uninstall them

There is a petition that has started to put pressure on Verizon to carry Android. If you feel so inclined go ahead and sign the petition and digg the story.
Petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ver...-carry-g-phone
Digg:
http://digg.com/software/Petition_Ve...Google_Android

You know, as much as I hate Verizon, I'm pretty happy with them not carrying the platform. Maybe once it really becomes commonplace, it will be a draw to lure subscribers away from Verizon.