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As someone on a T-Mobile family plan, I don't feel like I can get a Nexus One. There's no way I'm going to pay the unsubsidized price, so at this point, I'm limited to what T-Mo has online and in-store. If the N1 was available in stores, I would imagine these sales charts would be much better.

Also, I, and many others I would assume, are going to have trouble dropping that much money on something we haven't even seen or held. I still haven't seen one in person and in the pics, I personally think it looks really cheap, but I could be very wrong.

Hopefully Google sends this thing to retail by the time my G1 contract is up!

Just my $0.02.

I don't think you're alone in feeling that. I agree that the N1 doesn't look its best in photos - when you've actually got one in your hand, the all-metal casing and smooth, pebble-like edges feel great.

Maybe Google should have installed a series of Nexus One test/order booths across the US, giving people a chance to hold the phone and then order one from an integrated touchscreen?

Chris

I'm cool with that. Cus the phone still feels exclusive. till big red starts...

This is very simple wrong marketing:
1.Droid=Verizon Number 1 or 2 carrier in USA device in store
2.iPhone=AT&T Number 1 or 2 carrier in USA device in store
3.Nexus One=T-Mobile Number 4 carrier in USA and device not in store

The fact that I cannot upgrade to the Nexus One being on a family plan without paying full price is the exact reason that I will be getting the HD2 in about a week.

While I love my android phones and I think the Nexus One is a very capable device....I think that Google has this "holier than thou" attitude and its starting to rub me the wrong way...

Need to take care the HD2 according to Microsoft is impossible to upgrade to WP7S and XDA Dev.are working with a 7.0.0.6XX rom extracted for an Emu but what I read is also till the moment not compatible,I think You don't like to have a very powerful & nice device that you can't upgrade

I agree that upgrading and tinkering are fun...but when it comes down to it...we really want a device that just "works" and that we can have fun with right?...there are plenty of features for that on the HD2. Would it be nice if I could update it?...of course...but within 12 months I would just end up getting a whole new device altogether anyhow...One that will blow the specs of the N1 and the HD2 out of the water.

I am glad that people are working on ROM's and updates for my G1 and my MT3G...but that will come to an end when Android entirely grows out of the device...and the same will happen with the N1 eventually.

I have 3 lines on my TMo account that are eligible for a full upgrade so I am certainly not worried about missing the next new Android device that comes out.

There's no advertising either. Online ads don't count, there needs to be radio and television commercials. But, like TheJuan said, I kinda like being in an exclusive club, outside a few friends and family I never see another Nexus One in the wild lol.

I think you're all looking at this the wrong way.

Consider that, if you want an Android-based phone, you can get at least one from all the major carriers. So, adopting Android isn't really the issue.

And if Google wanted to compete with Apple on the iPhone, I seriously doubt that they would have marketed this device the way they did. T-Mo offered a link to a plan, but apparently didn't want to be responsible for being the only carrier to carry an intentionally-unlocked device. This is why the carriers don't sell unlocked devices and make you wait a year before they give you a free unlock code -- they want to make money on your account and the phone you buy.

If anything, the marketing of the Nexus was an experiment in how the future might look: unlocked devices, perhaps that use all available frequencies, maybe that even use either network type, and the buyer can shop for price and select the carrier they want. Choice.

I did a recent change to my account with T-Mo. I had no contract and went to the Even More Plus unlimited. With three phones, it wound up costing me just a few dollars more per month then my old family plan with 700 minutes. I also purchased two new myTouch 3Gs for my wife and daughter. I paid full price, put down a small initial payment plus the taxes on each phone and will pay the rest off, interest-free, on my bill for the next 20 months.

When I ran the numbers for the plan and phones against a contract plan and two subsidized myTouch devices, over the 20 month period, the no-contract, full price phones cost me about $500 less than a contract and subsidy.

Many sites have run the numbers on the Nexus with the available contract plans with T-Mo and found similar results.

So, you really have to look at it both ways. I'm planning on buying a Nexus soon (I have a G1 now) and I don't have an issue paying full price, because it will be my device and I make all the choices I want. Based on what I hear from people who own them, the Nexus is a terrific device, sleek and fast. And I can root the damn thing if I want, too.

for those who think the unsubsidized price is too much, do the math. i know it's different for everyone because we all have different plans, but i'll be saving a few hundred dollars over the 2 year period by paying the unsubsidized price. don't just dismiss it because it's $300 more expensive up front.

the phone is bad ass!!!! but googles attempt at marketing it is a total fail... there is no real advertising to it and the majority of those who have it or want it already have an android handset and contract anyways, so there isnt a whole lot of people (especially in this economy currently) willing to drop that type of money on it for novelty sake

It's less expensive for the unsubsidized price because the subsidized path is retarded. That's not a good thing. If I was allowed to stick with my family plan, and upgrade to the N1 like I am with every other phone, I am sure at least 2 of those phones would have been sold to us right now.

The loops you have to go through to go with the subsidized price are abnormal, and well.. numbers don't lie.

I agree with you completely...

If you all remember, the 1st gen iPhone was sold un-subsidized and like ado010 said..."numbers dont lie"

WOW! Droid does it again! To outsell the iphone is a feat nobody thought possible for an Android device. The Nexus will be fine once a REAL carrier(Tmo=joke) launches the phone.
But yeah the Droid is the flagship for Android and a excellent representative for the platform. This is great news!

So far with Tmobile I've had a better experience then my friends running Sprint and AT&T. Tmobile is not a joke. However, Verizon trounces it but, it trounces your wallet as well. I refuse to pay those ridiculous Verizon fees, those are a joke!

Whatever. You pay for what you get.. Anyways........Droid does!

You can keep the family plan and get a subsidized price. That's how I got mine. You have to call Tmo and tell them what you want to do. Then they split your plan into two individual plans which takes effect the next day. Then the Google checkout procedure can "see" your upgradable individual line and you get the upgrade price of $279. Then when the phone arrives, you activate it, call Tmo back, and have them "recombine" your lines into a family plan again, keeping the $30 smartphone data plan. You basically get the N1 for $279 and it only adds $30 to your bill, assuming you didn't have any data plan before.

And I would not go as far as to call the Moto Droid the "flagship" Android device... lol, that is comical (IMO)

On top of that, I agree with InsightGoalie's opinion on TMobile and Verizon. No doubt, Verizon has great coverage and you get what you pay for. I have not had any issues with TMobile in my location and am quite satisfied. Granted, I may need to switch carriers in the upcoming months because I may be relocating and not have good TMobile coverage (but that is why I am not under contract any more with TMobile... so I can switch when I want to).

There is no question on my mind that when (or if) I switch carriers to Verizon I will be getting the Verizon Nexus One... and not the Droid. I feel that Google has done a piss-poor job of advertising for the Nexus One, as there are no television commercials or ad campaigns like the Moto Droid's "Droid Does" commercials (which I like and think was a very good thing for Android and that device).

put it into prospective...
With the help of advertising:
1.2% of Verizon Customers had Droids by day 74
1.4% of AT&T Customers had iPhones by day 74
With virtually no advertising and all hype driven:
0.41% of T-Mobile customers have N1's by day 74

To me that's pretty damn good. Imagine if google really wanted to compete...

For me carrier depends in the area you live or moved plus how much you like or can pay in my case I use AT&T because all the ares I move have better signal for calls and data that all other carriers including T-mo but like I said this is in my particular case.

Me too, the Nexus is the flagship Android device but I like rdillz enthusiasm. It all boils down to where you are. If T-Mobile has good coverage un your area then they are. without a doubt the number one choice. If not gpu can't go wrong with Verizon, they have good coverage everywhere and I like their aggressive Android marketing.

This is exactly the topic the N1 don't catch this other two devices numbers because the advertising is not correct,is not because the devices.

+1
totally agree

Well lets add it up then. The Motorola Droid IS the most COMPLETE and successful Android device to date. #1 on every list! And has outsold the Iphone! Lets face it, It is what you want the Nexus to be! Sounds like the flagship to me. Sorry, its Just the facts.

I dont care if Tmo is 20 bucks cheaper a month! I want serious Android hardware. And like I said Tmo is a joke in this department.

Now lets hear it for the "GADGET OF THE YEAR" !!

See that enthusiasm is awesome, rep that Droid LOL. But sales doesnt make it the flagship, thats due to pure marketing strategy and hype. We never really knew about the Nexus til it was released. A lot of people still don't know about it and if they did it would dominate everything in sales. Head to head, Droid can't beat the Nexus, it doubles the Droid in almost every aspect. Here's one comparison http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/nexus-one-vs-motorola-droid/

But all Android phones are cool and the Droid did bring a lot of attention to the platform, its a great Scottie Pippen to the Nexus One which is Michael Jordan. lol

LOL! I don't know DJ, how do all those pretty specs add up in terms of performance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx1zAtpjO9o

Looks like all those specs mean nothing against the Droid! Hey guys, the Droid is The elephant in the room! Little nexus might catch up later. LMAO

That vid supports the fact that the Nexus is quicker and Verizon network is stronger in his area. Not that the Droid is better lol.

Wasn't trying to prove the Droid is better, just proving the Nexus isn't at all superior to it. A lot of people didn't know the Droid is just as fast. Browser was a hare faster on the Nexus but opening apps was a little faster on the Droid.

Then there's the fact that my supercharged Droid is smoking both of the phones in the video, in every test. Cmon.. It just beat the Iphone AGAIN!! Like it has done in every contest.

this is something very important some times the performance of the device depends in the carrier signal,this is like the pitcher and the catcher in baseball

The Droid is a speed demon. as a matter of fact, if a milestone of nexus 2 aka droids, come with tmobile 3g bands uma b all over it.

Ive been sayin since day one googles sales model wasnt gonna work, and the nexus would bomb out. And i had alot of people arguing with me, seems as time passes more and more people, as well as credible buisness sites are starting to see it too. Its simple though, google needs to change their buisness model... Im not sure how you get there, but what needs to happen is...

Google gives tmobile the nexus on a co signer, Meaning it gets put in tmobile stores, tmobile sells it like any other phone but they dont buy them from google, nor do they get money of the sales. Whats the incentive? Its cheaper for google to use tmobiles existing customer service and tech support than to set up their own. So being there going a cheaper route, Shave off phone sales to pay tmobile for using their customer service. So tmobile then gets incentive to offer the phone, Money for supporting it, and new customers who will be paying monthly service fees for tmobile, Google gets money for the phones sold plus more android sets in users hands. So you end up with tmobile making money, google making money, htc making money, consumer is happy.... android florishes

Sorry, but I don't see how doing just that is 'fine.' But if some people don't mind going through pointless loopholes, so be it. What about people who don't want to buy a data plan then? I know I have wifi pretty much everywhere I go, so it'd be a waste of money to purchase a data plan. Can I cancel it after the first month of having it?

This is Google's own fault; maybe T-Mo too. I would LOVE to upgrade from my G1, but won't at $529 plus tax. I'm not that big of a phone geek. Even if I did purchase outright, and converted to my family plan, I would have to quit the My Faves program on my family plan, which is NOT an option. This saves my family a bundle, since we call a bunch of AT&T customers, and can apply their numbers to my My Faves.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do. T-Mo has a bunch of crap, entry-level Android phones available, but nothing appreciably better than my G1. The NexusOne requires substantial out of pocket, and a complete disruption of my plan which isn't going to work if I'm to stay at T-Mo.

However, if T-Mo wants me to stay, I need:

- Maintain my current family plan (with My Faves intact)
- Offer a Nexus One equivalent phone as an upgrade

They won't. I'm leaving. I don't need My Faves with AT&T since everyone I know is on AT&T so I get free m-2-m minutes.

we as Americans are spoiled with the subsidized price thing which is why the sales of the N1 is low, regular unknowing people look and think that they are getting a great deal when they see a phone for $200 when actually they are not and it is cheaper in the long run to get an unsubsidized phone. its just too bad that most people are not smart enough to figure that out on their own

I bought an N1 for full price and if I had used an upgrade I would have paid $270.00 more than the initial cost on a 2 year contract. It is quite a bit cheaper buying outright.

er, i only read two pages of this thread, so i hope i didn't miss much.

android has always been pretty eh on advertising. today is the FIRST time i've ever seen a droid in the wild.. (my eye caught two actually) and a sprint hero today. i've never seen a gsm hero, moment, behold 2, n1, etc. i'm not sure how sales are, and maybe it's just my area, but dang. the only androids i see are g1s and mt3gs.

Price Google wanted for off-contract N1 is CRAZY... HD2 will have better sales through Tmobile WITH WinMo - vs N1 with Android...

I Agree even I think By the Nexus is a better Idea but for sure the HD2 sells more because marketing approach Google is making to many Marketing MistakesThey have a Diamond and the don't show correctly the karats

deff agree with dj and thejaun, with the exclusiveness. I haven't seen one other than my own so far, but its is kind of nice not to be just like every other Joe Shmoe on the block with a droid or iphone, this is a phone for ppl who love android and who like being at the top of the nerd/electronics chain lol

because then if i keep this phone for 2 years (which won't happen) it will still be better then 85% of phones that the general population has

and plus the droid and iphone are avalible in canada..and the N1 has just been released there

yeah its crazy that you save money in the long run that way

I won't. I have 5 lines on my family plan. Would have 6 if T-Mo allowed it, which they won't, so my wife went to AT&T with an iPhone. I guess that's T-Mo's loss.

You all can argue all you want. Buying outright won't work for me. It obviously doesn't work for many Americans. You can be right or you can make money, but you can't do both with the Google program. The fact that the **** Nexus One plan $79 for 500 minute?!?!??!?!? is not advantageous is actually one more decision point against a purchase of the N1 with T-Mo. Ain't gonna do it. The fact of the matter is, I have to have 1500 minutes and My Faves. I can't switch plans. How many other T-Mobile customers are there in my same predicament. If I touch my plan, it goes away in favor of those ****ty new plans. The only T-Mo folks I call are my own family members in my family plan. What the hell was I thinking?!?

I've gone from "I'm not sure if I'll get a N1 now", to now I'm at the "no ****ing way am I getting that phone".

The ****ing irony, is I still want one. ****!!!

I think Google have this Phone selling problem apparently the person in charge of marketing and selling is doing a huge mess or they jump to premature today i try to buy one and a Pop Pop massage appear and said I can't buy this Phone because is not ready or selling for my country because of this I send a e-mail to google/phone dept.they send me like an automatic message that I need to buy from t-mo and the phone is not ready to sell in Hong Kong and Singapore,What is that I said I send another Mail explain can use Google Earth to see my location that is in the US.

I think it all boils down to the fact that most of the people who wanted a good Android phone and wanted something off of T-Mobile got their Droid, and they're happy with it. I'm in that boat now, it does everything I want it to do (which the exception of convincing my supervisors that we should support Android devices, so I'm being assigned a frikking Blackberry now, grrrr) and I don't see myself upgrading any time soon. And that's coming from someone who was getting a new phone every 6 to 8 months the past few years.

I hate the fact that when I buy a phone the carrier is so lazy in passing updates, the phone almost becomes outdated the second you take it out the door. I can't wait to buy the nexus one, when it arrives in Europe and I will buy it direct so I can get the latest updates as and when they arrive.

I have an Ipod Touch from day one and I love that I keep getting updates and it is not outdated, from a software point of view. I have always said for over 15yrs software is king and in the smartphone space, I don't want to be tied into a carrier to get updates.

On low sales figures well that's an easy one. not many people (unlike us all) read OR follow latest industry news. Most people react to what they see on the streets. So if nexus one is not on the high street shops, then it will be a slow growth for direct sales. But I don't think that is there goal with the nexus one anyway.

Google's goal was to sell as many N1s as possible. There is no way they didn't want to sell many units.

I think the punchline on this whole charade is the carriers want us all to simply convert to unlimited plans. That's the only way it makes sense to buy a N1. Those of us on family plans are not intended to purchase the phone. If we're on T-Mo, it's either moving to HD2 (like every T-Mo rep has recommended to me) or laterally move to the crap Android phones T-Mo sells.

To be fair, only Verizon offers an alternative to the lateral phones at T-Mo.

I have a grandfather family plan, thats why I bought mines without upgrading one of my lines.

What is that dj?

Their end-goal is to sell as many as they can. However, selling a phone that only works on a smaller provider at launch is not a way to boost sales (although being a Tmo customer, I thank them). Hence why the numbers are low.

With the AT&T N1 launch and the pending Vzw launch, these numbers should go up a lot.

The other thing no one seems to be looking at is that Google does not advertise, ever. It's all word of mouth. That and the fact that users can't physically test/try the phone in a store really hurts the sales.

This whole thing is an experiment to see how the public will accept online-only cell phone sales, with no advertising. Everyone's comparing it to Apple's sales, which is backed by a multi-million dollar advertising campaign, stores selling the phones, and subsidized versions of the phone for sale as well.

Basically you're comparing apples to oranges (literally).

Yes very correct Tmo is the Fourth carrier in size in the US thats one of the reasons apple use AT&T and Moto verizon they can sell their devices very easy because of customer size,about the promotion totally correct not promo for the nexus one yesterday the same day to start selling the N1 in US & Canada but in other way Tmo have a party in NY for the launch to the market of the HTC HD2 on March 24

I pay 110 a month now. I got 3 lines, myfavs, insurance, unlimited texts and data on 2. I'm not giving that up for nothing lol.

I'm with scythe on this one, Google isn't trying to get a nexusone in everyone's hand they'd be happy with everyone having an android phone while they experiment with distribution models.

that being said I don't understand the resentment towards their approach you either want the phone and are willing to pay for it the ways offered or not. maybe that's just me though.

Its a love hate for me, I dont want cell phone carriers putting their stamp all over android, but at the same time i dont wanna jump thru googles hoops to buy a phone, and i dont see any other android phone that i want. Im not willing to give up my excellent customer service either.. So sadly im thinking about jumping from my g1 to something thats not android, which i really dont wanna do, but googles making it too difficult. Tmobile is also making it difficult by carrying all these cheap android phones

I think you guys should really support the Nexus. I wouldn't be able stand sticking with the G1 all this time and just sit by and let killer hardware like the Nexus pass me by. And(hurl), trying some other platform?!?! Its what we've all been waiting for since Oct. 08! Its your reward for jumping in on the G1 from the beginning. Just pay the money like constellanation said. And I would leave Tmo before I leave Android for sure! Oh wait I did!

Sprint's getting the N1, wow.

Yes I Think Google Plan To Make the N1 to all carrier in other way can use any GSM,CDMA,WCDMA,3G,4G, ect.band for Worldwide distribution

yup, the n1 will be everywhere by the summer

I can tell because the strategy

I just can't justify $530 plus tax. That would be pushing $575. If my rate plan were improved by doing this, I might be able to justify it. But it won't. At best, my rate plan would stay the same.

We'll see. I was pretty steamed the other day, really because I had been talking to T-Mo reps over the past several days, and I kept getting one story after waiting 30 minutes on-hold, then showing up to actually buy my upgrade phones at Walmart or even the T-Mo store, I was getting radically different information. I pissed away hours this past week, trying to get upgrades I had coming to me and for some reason, the system was jacked up. To top it off, a T-Mo rep in one of the stores in my area was a total tool. Acted like I was some low-rent, flex-purchase customer (who seem to dominate T-Mo stores in Tulsa).

I see that Verizon has 10 "faves". I may have to check that out.

Yes that five more numbers than Tmo used to give you, free nights start at 7 pm instead of 9, They will be getting all the SERIOUS Android hardware, give you a huge 16GB sdcard, and a extra Android device for free. They mean business!

But you should never mess around in the store with Tmo. Get a Rep on the phone to give you a good deal and order from there. Its a huge difference. Remember, they are sales people, so haggle them!