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G1 Not Carrier Switch-Worthy?

31 January 2009 by Brady Landgren


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tmobileAccording to Q4 earnings reports, T-Mobile has reported just 621,000 new customers for the final 3 months of 2008, a 35 percent drop in new subscribers from the same period in 2007. That brings T-Mobile’s total subscriber base to an estimated 32.8 million users.

Launching the T-Mobile G1 with Google’s Android platform during this quarter, T-Mobile may be slightly disappointed that more customers didn’t switch carriers to get their hands on the first commercially available Android handset. One huge factor at play here vs. AT&T and the iPhone’s pull is that Android is not tied to T-Mobile for any length of exclusivity, and may be seen on other carriers before the first half of 2009 is over. Android-loaded devices have been all but confirmed for Sprint in 2009, no definitive word on whether the OS will appear on AT&T.

Also to consider is the nation’s (world’s) current economic status and the impact it may be having toward customers’ willingness to purchase higher-end handsets and sign lengthy contracts. T-Mobile USA is reporting 57% of new customers are using pre-paid or contract-free plans, both typically using lower-end and subsidy-free handsets without the advanced features (and plan prices) of the G1.

[via GigaOm]

  1. This comes as no surprise to me, after people read about all the issues the earlier adapters were having...

    Like not having Java, no VK, SD support, etc etc

    All the people they were looking to cross over, turned to other devices.

    The G1/Android hype went right out the window.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaYuMu6ft7 View Post
    This comes as no surprise to me, after people read about all the issues the earlier adapters were having...

    Like not having Java, no VK, SD support, etc etc

    All the people they were looking to cross over, turned to other devices.

    The G1/Android hype went right out the window.
    It was enough to get me to leave AT&T...I could have had an iPhone, but I fell in love with what the G1 had to offer. Potential. More than any other phone to date.

    I have seen many phones modded. I myself have a Blackjack I which is overclocked running WM6.1 cooked ROM(selling if anyone is interested). A phone running a version of an OS that it was never intended to is one thing, however a phone being modded to do multi-touch then it was not something intended to be officially supported is another.

    Bronze and White G1 owners have an issue with keyboard backlight making keys hard to see, someone writes an app to solve it. I love this phone as much for what it can be, as i do for what it is.

    We have something special here. Anyone who let the early complaining keep them away needs to research for themselves and get on board. Sure you could wait for the G2, or another android phone...but do you think that Google, t-mobile or whomever else is involved are going to allow future products to have root access?

    I say get while the gettin is good....


    ...and AT&T being the Devil may have had a small part with the switch It was mostly the G1 though
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by NDstruct View Post
    It was enough to get me to leave AT&T...I could have had an iPhone, but I fell in love with what the G1 had to offer. Potential. More than any other phone to date.

    I have seen many phones modded. I myself have a Blackjack I which is overclocked running WM6.1 cooked ROM(selling if anyone is interested). A phone running a version of an OS that it was never intended to is one thing, however a phone being modded to do multi-touch then it was not something intended to be officially supported is another.

    Bronze and White G1 owners have an issue with keyboard backlight making keys hard to see, someone writes an app to solve it. I love this phone as much for what it can be, as i do for what it is.

    We have something special here. Anyone who let the early complaining keep them away needs to research for themselves and get on board. Sure you could wait for the G2, or another android phone...but do you think that Google, t-mobile or whomever else is involved are going to allow future products to have root access?

    I say get while the gettin is good....


    ...and AT&T being the Devil may have had a small part with the switch It was mostly the G1 though
    Ha Ha!!

    I like that, "get it while the get'n is good"

    You're so right, I'm so content with my phone it's not even funny.

    I'm just waiting on this "watch phone" to come down in price. (that's the only other phone I might purchase) <-
  4. I think part of it is that their 3G network just wasn't ready for a rollout of this magnitude.
  5. I don`t really think it`s the G1, it`s the economy - If the scenario is better it could be more.
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by JetsG1 View Post
    I don`t really think it`s the G1, it`s the economy - If the scenario is better it could be more.

    I agree...I think if you look across the board you will see new subscribers down...maybe not AT&t, because if lemmings won't stop for a cliff, why would they stop for the economy
  7. I agree about a big part of it being the economy. In the past, people were also probably willing to pay early termination fees in order to switch carrier's to get the newest and greatest phone. But, right now, people just can't afford to do that.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I was not impressed with the advertising done to promote the phone. I feel like it was promoted as being just another "smart phone". Most people don't understand what Android really is, or the potential that goes along with that. Not only that, I really didn't see much advertising at all for it. I see a lot of iPhone and Blackberry commercials, but very few for the G1.
  8. The HTC G1 sold a million units quicker than the original iPhone. This article says almost nothing about the G1 or Android; rather, it only speaks of the subpar nature of T-Mobile. It really does say something positive of either the G1 or Android that so many people were willing to pay 400+ because they wanted the phone but they didn't want T-Mobile...
  9. Is the G1 sold in Walmart? If not, T-Mo needs to get it there. I saw iphones prominently on display there the other day as I passed the electronics section.
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by webrun View Post
    Is the G1 sold in Walmart? If not, T-Mo needs to get it there. I saw iphones prominently on display there the other day as I passed the electronics section.

    the name Apple advertises itself now adays with the ipods and iphones. and the displays they have for their product are top notch.

    the G1 is available at wal-mart but its just there. next to all the regular phones. its not even a working model unlike the iphones they have
  11. i have signed up for tmob just for the g1. its not worth the switch. not the phone but the service. tmob makes it not worth it. i dont feel like paying $90/mo for something i get at sprint for 37.00 when sprint releases there androids it will crush tmobs prices. if tmob would compete with them then they might survive, but they arent.
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by shamefulzero View Post
    i have signed up for tmob just for the g1. its not worth the switch. not the phone but the service. tmob makes it not worth it. i dont feel like paying $90/mo for something i get at sprint for 37.00 when sprint releases there androids it will crush tmobs prices. if tmob would compete with them then they might survive, but they arent.
    There's no way you're getting a voice plan, unlimited data and unlimited text messages from Sprint for $37. Dream on.
  13. this is pure speculation, without a cross-comparison of all carriers' Q4 '08 vs Q4 '07 numbers.
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by rynosaur View Post
    There's no way you're getting a voice plan, unlimited data and unlimited text messages from Sprint for $37. Dream on.
    With Sprint SERO you are.
  15. I, personally, am more into the tech-world than the average person (like most of us here) and it killed me that i had to find out that the G1 existed 1 day before it's release, due to my local news station having a 10 minute segment on it.

    I was even on T-Mobile before! It's amazing how they didn't even send me a simple piece of paper in the mail stating that the G1 (and other phones, like the Samsung Omnia) were coming to T-Mobile considering i was currently on a Blackberry.
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by *susan* View Post

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I was not impressed with the advertising done to promote the phone. I feel like it was promoted as being just another "smart phone". Most people don't understand what Android really is, or the potential that goes along with that. Not only that, I really didn't see much advertising at all for it. I see a lot of iPhone and Blackberry commercials, but very few for the G1.
    Back to Square One, lol blame the bad economy, why spend so much in advertising alot of companies are hitting the bottom big time. Try to pack as much info in one commercial and pump it.
  17. Where the hell is flash for this phone ..... its time for it
  18. Well to be honest right off the bat the advertising for the G1 SUCKED!!! There was some other phone T-Mobile released a month or so later and the ads for it were way better. And the marketing they had BEFORE these ads was worse (Funnerer, Smarterer) Second the ads barely ran. Third neither T-mobile nor HTC seem to put anything into Android. Google said they were making an OS. Its up to the handset makers and service providers to make the true custom experience. I feel like the G1 is like a barebones test model. Its not bad at all but it doesn't feel like a somebody was going for the jugular witht his phone.

    I think the Android phones coming this year will be much different than the G1. I get the feeling that the other handset makers are all ready to release killer phones with custom interfaces, cutom multi-media apps etc.
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by storm14k View Post
    I feel like the G1 is like a barebones test model . . . I get the feeling that the other handset makers are all ready to release killer phones with custom interfaces, cutom multi-media apps etc.
    A barebones test model? What would make the G1 not barebones? Baffling.

    Cu(s)tom multi-media apps? What is a custom multi-media app? Define.
  20. dont blame the economy. The iphone still sold a bunch of phones even with the falling economy. Just face it guys. The g1 wasnt as good from the get go. It didnt have the hype advertising before it came out, and the commericals for it after barely showed people some of its features, and when they did it wasnt exactly clear (ex. compass mode) or they tried to make the commercials in the funny "tmobile" way.
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by rynosaur View Post
    There's no way you're getting a voice plan, unlimited data and unlimited text messages from Sprint for $37. Dream on.
    Thats exactly what I used to pay. It was really 30 bucks, the extra 7 included TEP(total equipment protection) and Sprint's EVDO is EVERYWHERE on the east coast.

    I'm paying T-Mobile 65 bucks for an inferior data network and fewer features. BUT...I'm really impressed with the G1, and I like the open'ess of GSM networks vs. CDMA. My next device will (hopefully) be a Samsung running Android with a competent camera
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by moooseman View Post
    dont blame the economy. The iphone still sold a bunch of phones even with the falling economy. Just face it guys. The g1 wasnt as good from the get go. It didnt have the hype advertising before it came out, and the commericals for it after barely showed people some of its features, and when they did it wasnt exactly clear (ex. compass mode) or they tried to make the commercials in the funny "tmobile" way.
    The G1 has already sold more in the past 4 months than the iPhone did in its first four months. True story. The G1 and Android phones that will follow will gather steam like the iPhone had to, assuming we're not going in a depression at the moment

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ImaG View Post
    Thats exactly what I used to pay. It was really 30 bucks, the extra 7 included TEP(total equipment protection) and Sprint's EVDO is EVERYWHERE on the east coast.
    So let me get this straight. For $37 per month, you had unlimited 3G data, unlimited text/MMs/downloads/POP3/cloud email, unlimited custom (free) MP3 ringers and app downloads and you had a voice plan with at least 600 anytime minutes and free nights and weekends and you had equiptment protection, all under a 24 month or fewer contract and no deposit?

    Are you sure? For $37?

    For $37? Yes?
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by moooseman View Post
    dont blame the economy. The iphone still sold a bunch of phones even with the falling economy. Just face it guys. The g1 wasnt as good from the get go. It didnt have the hype advertising before it came out, and the commericals for it after barely showed people some of its features, and when they did it wasnt exactly clear (ex. compass mode) or they tried to make the commercials in the funny "tmobile" way.
    Show me ACTUAL proof.
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by moooseman View Post
    dont blame the economy. The iphone still sold a bunch of phones even with the falling economy. Just face it guys. The g1 wasnt as good from the get go. It didnt have the hype advertising before it came out, and the commericals for it after barely showed people some of its features, and when they did it wasnt exactly clear (ex. compass mode) or they tried to make the commercials in the funny "tmobile" way.
    The actual device is fine, IMO. The original iPhone released with zero 3rd party support, no 3G, no video recorder, poor audio quality, and no MMS - AND a non subsidized pricing structure to boot. Still didn't stop it from flying off the shelves. The Storm is also doing well, despite poor reviews, and a myriad of of firmware updates which is pretty much RIM's way of saying "my bad"

    Honestly, the things that make the Android such an appealing platform for people who visit sites like these usually don't translate well into marketing. T-Mobile should just copy everything Apple did
  25. Quote:
    Originally Posted by ImaG View Post
    T-Mobile should just copy everything Apple did
    Please make that your sig. Please. Pretty please!
  26. Quote:
    Originally Posted by rynosaur View Post
    The G1 has already sold more in the past 4 months than the iPhone did in its first four months. True story. The G1 and Android phones that will follow will gather steam like the iPhone had to, assuming we're not going in a depression at the moment



    So let me get this straight. For $37 per month, you had unlimited 3G data, unlimited text/MMs/downloads/POP3/cloud email, unlimited custom (free) MP3 ringers and app downloads and you had a voice plan with at least 600 anytime minutes and free nights and weekends and you had equiptment protection, all under a 24 month or fewer contract and no deposit?

    Are you sure? For $37?

    For $37? Yes?
    I had 450 minutes, nights starting at 7, and unlimited weekends with no deposit for 24 months. I actually still keep an active account for my G/F.
  27. Quote:
    Originally Posted by rynosaur View Post
    The G1 has already sold more in the past 4 months than the iPhone did in its first four months. True story.
    That sir, I did not know. I still don't feel like the G1 is matching the "rockstar" type of appeal the original iPhone had. It was like everyone fit into 2 categories, one group who owned it, and the others who wanted it. Not saying you or I had that mindset, I'm just speaking in general.
  28. rynosaur,

    let me clarify what i get for 37/mo.

    500 anytime min.
    free m2m
    nights @7pm
    unlimited texts
    unlimited data
    phone insurance
    NO DROPPED CALLS lol
    crystal clear calls.
    yes it is called sero

    wow typing it out makes it way more easier to choose where to go. i turned in my g1 today after having it for 30 days. i do promise that i am an android now! i will never go back.
  29. Quote:
    Originally Posted by shamefulzero View Post
    r i turned in my g1 today after having it for 30 days. i do promise that i am an android now! i will never go back.
    You promise you're an android after returning your G1? I promise I'm not laughing at you right now.
  30. Quote:
    Originally Posted by rynosaur View Post
    You promise you're an android after returning your G1? I promise I'm not laughing at you right now.
    yes i use android on my htc touch 6900 for sprint. and i say im an android now because when sprint releases the next android i will buy that device. don't worry im laugh at you cuz i bet ur not pay 37.00 for all ur goodies! lol jk im not laughing at u.
  31. You couldn't get me to switch back to Sprint if you paid me. True story.

    And as for this "SERO" plan: A) It's discontinued and B) Employee referral and discount programs are not a fair basis for comparison against full-market pricing plans. FAIL!
  32. Quote:
    Originally Posted by rynosaur View Post
    You couldn't get me to switch back to Sprint if you paid me. True story.
    why cuz of the sh#$$y CS? i believe you. but i rare need to call them. i use my phone for business so reception is important to me. and tmob sucks in L.A. but i will admit im already having hard qwerty key withdrawls. i hear rumours that sprint will force me off my sero when my contract is up in may. if so im going strait for a g1

    why did u leave sprint?
  33. Quote:
    Originally Posted by shamefulzero View Post

    why did u leave sprint?
    Dropped calls, they were too expensive and they liked to overcharge me on my bill. Unfriendly customer service. Slow 2G in 2006.
  34. Sprint: use to suspend service for being $5 short on your bill.
  35. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaYuMu6ft7 View Post
    Sprint: use to suspend service for being $5 short on your bill.
    Exactly. Oh, you've been a Sprint customer for 6 years and you need some help with your bill? Sorry, we make too much money to care. And they like to double-charge you for switching your service plan on the wrong day. What's that BS called again? Oh yeah: pro-rating. A nice euphemism for highway robbery
  36. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaYuMu6ft7 View Post
    Sprint: use to suspend service for being $5 short on your bill.
    lol, I think every Sprint customer has experienced that before, I know I did. but I can count on 1 hand how many dropped calls I've had in the 5 years I've used Sprint.
  37. Quote:
    Originally Posted by ImaG View Post
    lol, I think every Sprint customer has experienced that before, I know I did. but I can count on 1 hand how many dropped calls I've had in the 5 years I've used Sprint.
    Hmmm. I remember well when you used to be able to call Sprint from one's handset and request a 1-minute credit off the bill. I used that a lot.
  38. as soon as that super secret g2 with cu***** gets announced, people will be stampeding into tmobile stores :/

    oh did we mention the fact that blackberry has an existing customer base, apple does as well and was the first easy to use consumer based smartphone. while android is actually an operating system that currently is only available on one phone? weird. I wonder if any of that has anything to do with these oddball comparisions?
  39. I think it is, I have lines on at&t with the bold and an iphone(on the shelf dont use) also had got a verizon line for the storm(canceled terribly buggy) the g1 is the best of them all no doubt. Tmobiles calls have actually been clearer than my at&t iphone. There 3g coverage is non existant in my area but it will get better. Tmobile's marketting has been terrible i actually bought it from vids i happen to see on youtube
  40. One word sex sells.
    AT&T has mastered that with the iphone and translating it to other phones. Pleople don't care too much about price that much when it comes to phones.
    The G1; simiply un-sexy. Let me say anit sexy. Hard to sell. No slickness to it.
    -
  41. i gotta say, i just don't get the not-sexy thing. it's the G1's interface that's so cool. personally, i like its matte, non-blingy, functional look, and when i'm tooling around downtown after dark, i'm glad i'm not holding something that screams "steal me" to my ear.
  42. Quote:
    Originally Posted by rynosaur View Post
    The G1 has already sold more in the past 4 months than the iPhone did in its first four months. True story. The G1 and Android phones that will follow will gather steam like the iPhone had to, assuming we're not going in a depression at the moment
    Keep in mind the price of the first iphone to the price of the g1, and we cant really compare the amount sold with the iphone 3g because it was the same thing but with added features and a lower price, or can we????

    and for semi-actual proof, google "g1 outselling iphone" and see what happens. kind of hard to find. If you can show me the numbers please be my guest, and I will be happy to admit I am wrong.
  43. I believe 100% that this phone could be the best phone anywhere via additional downloaded applications. It's got the horsepower, the open source support, the strong linux core, the works.

    But I am also sick of the potential argument for this phone.

    Until it delivers on the sizzle and the superior applications, I can't be bothered. Oh and it also needs to get a Verizon version before it takes off. Sprint won't do much for its adoption, especially if the Palm Pre lands at the same price point and is much slicker.

    Of course VZW is the strongest of all carriers in the US and has a vested interest in keeping such an open platform off its network, so I'm not holding my breath.

    I own a Nokia N800 tablet and I can say after a year of knowing just how much raw potential this device has and how it's been completely squandered by a lack of applications to turn it into the killer portable computer it should be, potential doesn't do anything for a platform. Execution does. If you're not a super hacker you don't want an N800 and I think unless someone comes through with some killer applications on Android that aren't anywhere else the Android will land in the same space.

    I'm a techy so I'd love an Android phone. But I can't afford to pay its 399 entry fee and monthly data plan.

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