Gmail notifies and displays "trash" threads

**Keith** · 10-29-2008, 02:51 PM

This is driving me nuts.

if a new message arrives, and it is part of a conversation I have already trashed, I do NOT want to receive a new notification and inbox item for it. My phone is beeping all the time and I am going to the phone so frequently for conversations I have already deleted (such as from forums).

I can't even configure Gmail to "ignore" a previously trashed thread. it does show up in the inbox with Trashed and Inbox labels on it - can't gmail handle it correctly?

Keith

**PixelHenge** · 10-29-2008, 03:08 PM

gmail online dose this too. If you subscibed to a thread a new post is always going to generate a new message. You can just choose to not recieve e-mail notifications from AC- or make a filter in g-mail to either trash it or mark as read immediatly.

but a new message is always going to be new in just about any e-mail service. Just because you trashed the previous, the next message is still 'new'. If it trashed anything right off because i deleted something related before- i would NEVER get my e-mail.

**Keith** · 10-29-2008, 03:23 PM

make a filter in g-mail to either trash it or mark as read immediatly.

You can't create a filter to do that here. There is no option to trigger a filter based on previous thread tags, which is the only unique thing about this incoming message. :-(

And you're right; Gmail does this too, which I hate. it should move the conversation to the trash or give me a configuration option to do that.

The only option I have is to turn turn off all email notifications in the G1, which I just did. I really would rather my portable device be efficient and not tell me of new mail where I've already told it I don't care about that conversation. Turning it off means I have to chase after it now.

but a new message is always going to be new in just about any e-mail service. Just because you trashed the previous, the next message is still 'new'. If it trashed anything right off because i deleted something related before- i would NEVER get my e-mail. {

That's not true. You are thinking of conventional email, when the emails are not tied together. Gmail is conversational thread based. It has the intelligence to do it correctly.

Keith

**ren857** · 10-29-2008, 03:28 PM

I read about this kinda situation in Gmail's help section. You can try searching for your answer there.

**Keith** · 10-29-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by ren857

I read about this kinda situation in Gmail's help section. You can try searching for your answer there.

yeap; did that. There are search options for lables and folders, but you cannot reference inbox or trash on a new message

Best advice is to turn off notifications and stop thinking about it as an instant communication.

**PixelHenge** · 10-29-2008, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Keith

You can't create a filter to do that here. There is no option to trigger a filter based on previous thread tags, which is the only unique thing about this incoming message. :-(

And you're right; Gmail does this too, which I hate. it should move the conversation to the trash or give me a configuration option to do that.

The only option I have is to turn turn off all email notifications in the G1, which I just did. I really would rather my portable device be efficient and not tell me of new mail where I've already told it I don't care about that conversation. Turning it off means I have to chase after it now.

That's not true. You are thinking of conventional email, when the emails are not tied together. Gmail is conversational thread based. It has the intelligence to do it correctly.

Keith

No, g-mail, at heart, is still e-mail. It isnt like a forum. And anything that you dont have a filter for or isnt automatically flagged as spam will ALWAYS be considered a new message. Just because you deleted a thread dosent mean it will ignore the thread, it simply doesnt work that way. A new message is a new message. If you havent expressly told it what to do with an item containing specific keywords, it will always treat it as a new e-mail, and show the ones you trashed for referance. Its just the way it works. This isnt a glitch or an error, its just how the system is coded. The only thing you could do is make a filter containing the string of the forum thread titel, OR make a lable for anything from AC and tell it to skip inbox and archive to label. I do that with my newsletters, mark lable as and skip inbox, so i dont get notified BUT the lable shows however many new (10) <-- like that next to the lable title.

**Keith** · 10-29-2008, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by PixelHenge

No, g-mail, at heart, is still e-mail. It isnt like a forum.

Let's just say we disagree. You believe I misunderstand how email works, while I have coded against the RFC. I am not confusing the functionality with forums, etc. Gmail COULD do it. It is already comparing message headers and Re: subject lines with enough intelligence to group them together and operate on them as a unit after delivery to the inbox. It's just not doing that upon message reception (which it COULD - it is after all just a glorified search requirement through previous email and performing some tasks after inbox placement). Think post-inbox filter execution. It just doesn't let you.

**PixelHenge** · 10-29-2008, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Keith

Let's just say we disagree. You believe I misunderstand how email works, while I have coded against the RFC. I am not confusing the functionality with forums, etc. Gmail COULD do it. It is already comparing message headers and Re: subject lines with enough intelligence to group them together and operate on them as a unit after delivery to the inbox. It's just not doing that upon message reception (which it COULD - it is after all just a glorified search requirement through previous email and performing some tasks after inbox placement). Think post-inbox filter execution. It just doesn't let you.

Oh, im not debating that is *could*, sure it could, if google wanted to had that to the next e-mail service upgrade. But in its present incarnation, it cant and so wont. Thats what i was saying. you presented you thread as if you believed there was a way to do this and you just didnt know how, and i was saying that there isnt anyting to find out- it just dosent do that.

I mean, sure, if you wanna talk about what it COULD do, well, i want it to integrate better with my maps and contact addresses...

But now, there is no way to make g-mail do this. Ive been on g-mail since 05 and never seen it able to do that. Yes, once upone a time, i used to code to- i wasnt implying anything against you, just it was presented asking for help, so i tried..