How much memory is available?

[ariesboy]

With a memory footprint of 128MB of RAM and 256MB of flash (Correct me if I'm wrong there), how much is available after booting up?

OOB how much of the 256Mb is available? How much of the RAM is available? Which brings us to how many apps can run concurrently?

[AndroidBeauty]

I hope I can download 50 plus apps....LOL

[Jorsher]

ROM will be for the firmware and I don't think we'll be able to use it (except for flashing custom firmwares)

There is 192mb ram.

I *think* 64mb for program memory (sigh :() and 128mb for "storage"

[DesignDawg]

The beauty of the OS is that it will intelligently determine what needs to run and what can go away. It's not like a windows machine where every running program checks it full self in and hogs all the resources. UIs are separate from the functionality of (many? most? all?) the programs themselves, so for instance, there doesn't have to be an "IM program" "running" to receive IMs in the background. The phone can listen for IMs and let you know when they come. When you get one, you switch to that program, and the OS opens it, puts you where you need to be, seamlessly.

I can't say I have NO concerns about the small amount of memory, but I am very impressed with the way the OS handles it, and I know the guys who developed this OS, this phone, and all the apps running on it are WAY smarter than I am, and they determined this would be enough. Time will tell.

[Jorsher]

The beauty of the OS is that it will intelligently determine what needs to run and what can go away. It's not like a windows machine where every running program checks it full self in and hogs all the resources. UIs are separate from the functionality of (many? most? all?) the programs themselves, so for instance, there doesn't have to be an "IM program" "running" to receive IMs in the background. The phone can listen for IMs and let you know when they come. When you get one, you switch to that program, and the OS opens it, puts you where you need to be, seamlessly.

I can't say I have NO concerns about the small amount of memory, but I am very impressed with the way the OS handles it, and I know the guys who developed this OS, this phone, and all the apps running on it are WAY smarter than I am, and they determined this would be enough. Time will tell.

I'm not too concerned because honestly I don't have memory problems with my custom-firmwared windows mobile phone that only has around 44mb available for program memory, but more is always better, no?


Open sourced linux kernel with intelligent memory handling? yes plz

[trumani]

It's already better than a phone like the iphone where only one program is running at a time. (other than the core iphone programs like "phone" and "music player"), hence the notifications implemented through android is very exciting!

I think the bigger issue is making sure the apps downloaded from the android store can be installed onto your microsd card, otherwise 128mb is not much space considering my ipod touch has roughly 2 gigabytes worth of apps/mail/calendar items. We already know photos and music is automatically routed to the sd card, but not anything else.

I really hope you can, but I couldn't find any evidence from the leaked t-mobile g1 manuals. I'm envisioning something like this: http://www.pocketpcmag.com/cms/node/341 should be how its done, but I didn't see any options like that from the g1 manual.......

[trumani]

Awesome! thanks for the tip Vincent! I didn't see that option in the manual but looks like you've calmed my biggest fear..

[Jorsher]

We tested the G1 by opening some 35+ apps SIMULTANEOUSLy -- and damn she handled them pretty well. I'm not making this up because there were plenty of witnesses around when we did this.

Wow, that is amazing! Try that on Windows Mobile :p I don't think it could even launch that many at once.

Could you put the memory questions to rest? I'm reading the guide page by page, maybe it's in there, but what amount of memory is used for storage and what is available for program access (like RAM in a PC).

[trumani]

Sorry, I don't think we can put these memory questions to rest...

The more I think/research about it, and reading through the leaked manuals (page by page), I don't think Vincents or your post answers the question of whether the applications are downloaded to your memory card, which would be the way everyone would want it. All that pictures tells us is that there is an option to eject the microsd card and/or see how much space is available on the microsd card. A video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU2PwjRWUdE 1minute 55 seconds in) shows there's no option to choose your download path, and since there's no mention of any setting point to change the download path in the manual, it's either being downloaded to the phone memory (256mb) or your microsd card...

[tread]

Sorry, I don't think we can put these memory questions to rest...

The more I think/research about it, and reading through the leaked manuals (page by page), I don't think Vincents or your post answers the question of whether the applications are downloaded to your memory card, which would be the way everyone would want it. All that pictures tells us is that there is an option to eject the microsd card and/or see how much space is available on the microsd card. A video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU2PwjRWUdE 1minute 55 seconds in) shows there's no option to choose your download path, and since there's no mention of any setting point to change the download path in the manual, it's either being downloaded to the phone memory (256mb) or your microsd card...

i don't think you give google enough credit... i'm 99.9 percent positive programs will run from the memory card without even doing a hint of research... granted the kernels that will be running on a mobile os will be a fraction of the size of their desktop counterparts, that RAM can easily be filled up... if windows can do it, the G1 can do it and better...

and after doing 2 minutes of research and taking a look at the architecture of the android software stack, it appears you can... i may have interpreted it wrong, and the phone hasn't been released to the public yet so theres still a viable chance for me to be wrong, but there isn't too much that google has done wrong with this phone that won't be fixed via firmware upgrade

[NetCom]

Vincent mentioned somewhere that he was able to run about 30 apps in the same time and that G1 handled with no issues and problems... that's good enough for me :) ... however, I am pretty positive that Google will have apps running from memory cards without problems :)

[Big Al]

I would guess it could run from the memory card, it comes with a 1G memory card in the box too.

[swaney29]

that has to be a given im pretty sure

[RussianSolja]

I would guess it could run from the memory card, it comes with a 1G memory card in the box too.thank god i ordered a 8gb memory card SUPER AMOUNT OF SPACE!!!!!!!! LOL! i remember back in 95 when i had a desktop PC and it had a 2gig hard drive:o LMAO!!!!! thank god thoes days are over!:)

[Khicks630]

so how many songs can we download up there

[RussianSolja]

so how many songs can we download up therewhat do you mean how many songs can we download where? on to a 8gb memory card? im not understand what your asking sorry... can you be more clear on what your asking?

[Khicks630]

what do you mean how many songs can we download where? on to a 8gb memory card? im not understand what your asking sorry... can you be more clear on what your asking?
like with the 8gb how many songs can it hold

[RussianSolja]

like with the 8gb how many songs can it hold
well it all depends on the size of each song/track.... but on a 8gb memory card you can store an easy well over 1500 songs and some. but like i said it all depends on file size meaning how big the track is.

[tread]

well it all depends on the size of each song/track.... but on a 8gb memory card you can store an easy well over 1500 songs and some. but like i said it all depends on file size meaning how big the track is.

yep, depends on your bitrate... the standard bitrate for CD quality songs is around 190kbits, which in mp3 format with an average song life of 3:30 minutes or so, you're looking at 5 - 6 megabytes... so if you do the math, one gigabyte is 1024 megabytes, but some overhead storage is taken away due to formating on solid state media (removable memory cards with no moving parts) so approximately 160 songs per gigabyte of CD quality songs, 1280 give or take on an 8 gig card...

in my opinion, the average listener won't be bothered by a 160kbits bitrate, which is fairly negligible to the average listener... so bumping down your bitrate that you save your files from, you go from an average of 1200 or so songs to an average of 2000 or so songs... get an enconding program and learn how to use it, its not difficult and you can make the most of your memory the way you see fit... unless you're an audiophile, 160kbits bitrate will do you fine for listening to music on the go

[rawskilz]

id say ill have about 1000 songs on my g1. a few hundred pictures (aspiring photographer/and gfx designer) few vids . my g1 will be used to its full capabilities

[RussianSolja]

yep, depends on your bitrate... the standard bitrate for CD quality songs is around 190kbits, which in mp3 format with an average song life of 3:30 minutes or so, you're looking at 5 - 6 megabytes... so if you do the math, one gigabyte is 1024 megabytes, but some overhead storage is taken away due to formating on solid state media (removable memory cards with no moving parts) so approximately 160 songs per gigabyte of CD quality songs, 1280 give or take on an 8 gig card...

in my opinion, the average listener won't be bothered by a 160kbits bitrate, which is fairly negligible to the average listener... so bumping down your bitrate that you save your files from, you go from an average of 1200 or so songs to an average of 2000 or so songs... get an enconding program and learn how to use it, its not difficult and you can make the most of your memory the way you see fit... unless you're an audiophile, 160kbits bitrate will do you fine for listening to music on the go
exactly. all i need is about 300-500 songs on memory card and ill be happy ill be updateing them anyways but yeah about that much will do me just right.