important info about your internal memory and market memory usage

[shaky777]

ok, i was really worry about the small internal memory that G1 comes with(256mb):mad: and we only get to use 71mb for applications:mad: or anything that's have to be storage in the internal memory, on top of my apps memory usage i have the market app taking an additional 9mb :mad:. i was down to 29mb:mad:, so i called tmobile:confused:, they don't know anything on how to deal with this:eek:. so i did this::)

first factory reset: after factory reset i got 71mb left(internal memory)

check my market app usage: 0kb
sign up for the market: 72kb
accessed to market: 320kb
downloaded shop savvy: 492kb
uninstalled shop savvy: 492kb
accessed compare everywhere: 500kb
installed compare everywhere: 500kb
uninstalled compare everywhere: 500kb
reinstalled compare everywhere: 508kb
left the market and accessed it again with download anything: 608kb
accessed the games by date without download anything: 760kb
accessed the games by popularity without download anything: 796kb
accessed web cam viewer : 804kb
installed web cam viewer : 804kb
accessed park mark: 836kb
installed park mark: 836kb
accessed ring control: 988kb
installed ring control: 988kb
then i went and look back into ring control and the market memory went all the way up to 2mb of market memory usage. so i went and did a second factory reset.


second factory reset: after factory reset i got 71mb left(internal memory)

after it came back on it automatically downloaded 3 of the 4 applications (weird) that i previously downloaded without accessing the market: 12kb
accessed the market:104kb
accessed the market apps: 208kb
accessed the market apps by popularity: 308kb
accessed the market apps by date: 352kb
then got out of the market and went back to all apps: 424kb
accessed the market games: 428kb
accessed the market games by date: 580kb
accessed the market games by popularity: 624kb
then got out of market games and went back to all apps: 624kb
accessed shop savvy: 632kb
installed shop savvy: 632kb
accessed compare everywhere: 640
installed compare everywhere: 640kb
went back to shop savvy( in all apps): 640kb
then went ahead and installed 24 apps without leaving the market, after all of them were installed: 4mb of market memory usage (58mb left from internal memory), then i went and did a third factory reset

third factory reset: after factory reset i got 71mb left(internal memory)

turn the phone on: it didn't automatically download anything
market memory usage: 0kb
accessed the market: 192kb
accessed the market all apps by date and popularity: 388kb
accessed the market my downloads: 876kb
downloaded from my download history park mark: 1004kb
then from my download history(without leaving this page) i download all the previous 24 apps: market total memory usage 2mb(60mb internal memory left)

bottom line the market application does eat your internal memory(some people said is virtual memory, is not) also every time we access an application in the market it will take from your internal memory, because it will add to the market application memory usage. so avoid looking at applications that look useless(like looking at the ratings first, i know that's hard to do, but that will make developers create better apps cuz if this stays like thit and they don't fix it, we won't be able to even take a look into the apps to avoid losing memory. also if you can and your are not going to lose any important info or if you can back up what you have in your phone, just do a factory reset and then go to your downloads history and download all your apps again without going in and out of the market, before i did this i had 29mb left of internal memory now i have 60mb and the market memory usage was 9mb now is 2mb. i also didn't installed some of the useless apps that i had before, but now i feel a lot better....:):):)



update:


i just reset my phone again just to double check, this is what you need to do:

1. make a list of the apps that you have already installed(apps are gonna be listed in your download history anyway, but just in case)
2. proceed to factory reset
3. go the the market>mydownloads>install all your apps again(but do it from your downloads history, that way you save some data usage)

my results:

a. 31 apps installed
b. market data usage 2mb(use to be 9mb the first time)
c. internal memory left 60mb(use to be 29mb left) :):):)

[kaysesoze]

might have to try that out once i get a list of the apps that i use... and back up my favorites ( if theres a way)

[shaky777]

might have to try that out once i get a list of the apps that i use... and back up my favorites ( if theres a way)


everything in your sd micro card is safe when you do the factory reset i only had music and pictures on my memory card and after 3 resets everything was there, so try to send any thing you want or can to your memory card( i didn't remove the memory card to do the resets)

[unseen]

Mind summarizing what this is about? I don't really understand what you're getting at.. I don't think I can just avoid looking at info on Apps in the Market and your making it seem like by just browsing (something the phone should handle fine) will soon fill up my internal memory?

[shaky777]

Mind summarizing what this is about? I don't really understand what you're getting at.. I don't think I can just avoid looking at info on Apps in the Market and your making it seem like by just browsing (something the phone should handle fine) will soon fill up my internal memory?



well well well, "bottom line the market application does eat your internal memory(some people said is virtual memory, is not) also every time we access an application in the market it will take from your internal memory, because it will add to the market application memory usage. so avoid looking at applications that look useless(like looking at the ratings first, i know that's hard to do, but that will make developers create better apps cuz if this stays like thit and they don't fix it, we won't be able to even take a look into the apps to avoid losing memory. also if you can and your are not going to lose any important info or if you can back up what you have in your phone, just do a factory reset and then go to your downloads history and download all your apps again without going in and out of the market, before i did this i had 29mb left of internal memory now i have 60mb and the market memory usage was 9mb now is 2mb. i also didn't installed some of the useless apps that i had before, but now i feel a lot better....:):):)"

and what u see here is that every time i enter the market :
check my market app usage: 0kb
sign up for the market: 72kb
accessed to market: 320kb
downloaded shop savvy: 492kb
uninstalled shop savvy: 492kb
accessed compare everywhere: 500kb
installed compare everywhere: 500kb
uninstalled compare everywhere: 500kb
reinstalled compare everywhere: 508kb
left the market and accessed it again with download anything: 608kb
accessed the games by date without download anything: 760kb
accessed the games by popularity without download anything: 796kb
accessed web cam viewer : 804kb
installed web cam viewer : 804kb
accessed park mark: 836kb
installed park mark: 836kb
accessed ring control: 988kb
installed ring control: 988kb
then i went and look back into ring control and the market memory went all the way up to 2mb of market memory usage. so i went and did a second factory reset." the market app was getting bigger and it takes from your phone memory, got it, u follow me? so if you have low memory problem, what i recommended was this " just do a factory reset and then go to your downloads history and download all your apps again without going in and out of the market" because of this "before i did this i had 29mb left of internal memory now i have 60mb and the market memory usage was 9mb now is 2mb. i also didn't installed some of the useless apps that i had before, but now i feel a lot better....:):):) " good enough ?;)

[unseen]

well well well, "bottom line the market application does eat your internal memory(some people said is virtual memory, is not) also every time we access an application in the market it will take from your internal memory, because it will add to the market application memory usage. so avoid looking at applications that look useless(like looking at the ratings first, i know that's hard to do, but that will make developers create better apps cuz if this stays like thit and they don't fix it, we won't be able to even take a look into the apps to avoid losing memory. also if you can and your are not going to lose any important info or if you can back up what you have in your phone, just do a factory reset and then go to your downloads history and download all your apps again without going in and out of the market, before i did this i had 29mb left of internal memory now i have 60mb and the market memory usage was 9mb now is 2mb. i also didn't installed some of the useless apps that i had before, but now i feel a lot better....:):):)"

and what u see here is that every time i enter the market :
check my market app usage: 0kb
sign up for the market: 72kb
accessed to market: 320kb
downloaded shop savvy: 492kb
uninstalled shop savvy: 492kb
accessed compare everywhere: 500kb
installed compare everywhere: 500kb
uninstalled compare everywhere: 500kb
reinstalled compare everywhere: 508kb
left the market and accessed it again with download anything: 608kb
accessed the games by date without download anything: 760kb
accessed the games by popularity without download anything: 796kb
accessed web cam viewer : 804kb
installed web cam viewer : 804kb
accessed park mark: 836kb
installed park mark: 836kb
accessed ring control: 988kb
installed ring control: 988kb
then i went and look back into ring control and the market memory went all the way up to 2mb of market memory usage. so i went and did a second factory reset." the market app was getting bigger and it takes from your phone memory, got it, u follow me? so if you have low memory problem, what i recommended was this " just do a factory reset and then go to your downloads history and download all your apps again without going in and out of the market" because of this "before i did this i had 29mb left of internal memory now i have 60mb and the market memory usage was 9mb now is 2mb. i also didn't installed some of the useless apps that i had before, but now i feel a lot better....:):):) " good enough ?;)

Okay, haha I get what you're saying now :)

[MobileMan]

You should be able to install apps on your SD cards too. Or they should have just made the phone with a lot of memory like 2gb or so.

[bizarro_stormy]

i guess i should cut down on my market checks then...

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[shaky777]

You should be able to install apps on your SD cards too. Or they should have just made the phone with a lot of memory like 2gb or so.

reps. at tmobile don't know much about G1, but she went ahead to tell me they are working on that already so we can store apps in the memory card:), lets just wait....

[shaky777]

i guess i should cut down on my market checks then...

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oh yeah, that's why i did all that and prove me that it was taking from my memory, but everyone should check every case may be different cuz after each reset the results were some how different...

[Gary.Lavin]

You shouldn't have to spend hours on this? We need a memory solution, what's the best way to put pressure on T Mobile?

[shaky777]

You shouldn't have to spend hours on this? We need a memory solution, what's the best way to put pressure on T Mobile?


well i know we shouldn't spend hours doing this, but i was just looking for a temporary solution to this issue, all we need t do is start sending e-mail requesting them to fix this problem, so we all need to start doing this, go to tmobile, google and android support link and everyone place a complaint, lets hope this works....

[LonPete67]

If you go into "Manage Appications" how big in the Market app? Mine has 6Mb worth of data but no way of clearing it.

[shaky777]

If you go into "Manage Appications" how big in the Market app? Mine has 6Mb worth of data but no way of clearing it.


there is no way to clear that, that's why i did a factory reset, then when the phone come back on, go to the market>menu>mydownloads>and download from your history and try to avoid download useless apps. mine was 9mb and after i did this process is only 2mb, and i had 29mb of internal memory left no i have 58mb, good luck

[juice]

what's the best way to put pressure on T Mobile?


Lean on them?
Turn up the PSI in their building?


I don't know, just brainstorming here.

[loner]

We need to put the pressure on Google too, here's the official Android Market support forum, I posted this as a question a few days back, but no official response yet. http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=41ec2c22c8cf5448&hl=en

Make sure to add your requests and opinions.

[RegGuheert]

Thanks, Shaky! (May I call you Shaky? :))

You've put a lot of time and effort into researching and reporting this and I really appreciate it! Now my 71 MB seems a LOT bigger than it used to be!

Thanks again,

Reg

[smoger]

i think you guys are worried about nothing. that memory is cache data to make the marketplace load faster, and im sure it checks itself as compared to the free space on your device. a better test would be to get the memory usage on it pretty high, then fill a good deal of the remaining memory,.. then use it and see if it gets bigger or smaller.

my guess is it will start removing cached information.

[RegGuheert]

Yes, but I don't think we are talking about internal RAM here. We are talking about internal storage, which is FLASH. Unfortunately, FLASH storage tends to get very, very slow when it is fragmented. Filling a storage medium to its limit is what leads to a high level of fragmentation. I think Shaky777 is on the right path by bringing it all back to factory settings and then adding as little as is necessary.

[smoger]

RegGuheert: can you outline the specifics of Android's disk cleanup for me? You clearly know more about how the OS maintains the hardware than I do...

[loner]

Google's official answer:http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?fid=41ec2c22c8cf544800045b0bf237579e&tid=41ec2c22c8cf5448&hl=en


Thanks for bringing up this discussion. Sadly, there isn't currently a way to manually clear the cache from the Market app. We're looking to add this into the next client update.

As it stands, this cache will be freed when your device gets low on disk space - so you when you need it most you will get it back. But this isn't a good experience so we're trying to fix it soon.

Thanks,
Robin

[smoger]

thanks loner,.. i figured it worked like that.. and i was only guessing.

maybe it's because i'm a software engineer and it only seemed logical to me for that to be the case..

[shaky777]

Thanks, Shaky! (May I call you Shaky? :))

You've put a lot of time and effort into researching and reporting this and I really appreciate it! Now my 71 MB seems a LOT bigger than it used to be!

Thanks again,

Reg


yes, you can call me shaky, lets just keep an eye on this...

[Maximosis]

why cant you just clear the Cache? hopefully they will drop a update that cleans it for you.

[shaky777]

just clearing cache does not work cuz you can't clear cache data on the market app... tried that already....remember we are not talking about the web browser

[RegGuheert]

RegGuheert: can you outline the specifics of Android's disk cleanup for me? You clearly know more about how the OS maintains the hardware than I do...What I do know is that many customers are struggling with low storage after having the phone for only a couple of weeks, just as I predicted a week or so before the release. I also know that several here have reported that the phone comes to a crawl when the storage gets very low.

Given that, I'm not going to give Google the benefit of the doubt that they have thoroughly considered the performance implications of driving the available FLASH storage to near zero. It seems clear that Google (and HTC) did not put enough thought into the application storage needs of this product and they now need to go and take a VERY close look at it.

It kind of reminds me of the problem that NASA has with the FLASH memory on the Mars rovers. Those little Androids became largely non-functional after only a couple of days on the surface. Fortunately, they were able to recover by deleting most of the data stored in FLASH. (The difference there was that the Mars rovers were able to transfer most of their data somewhere else. We are not currently allowed to do that.)

[shaky777]

Yes, but I don't think we are talking about internal RAM here. We are talking about internal storage, which is FLASH. Unfortunately, FLASH storage tends to get very, very slow when it is fragmented. Filling a storage medium to its limit is what leads to a high level of fragmentation. I think Shaky777 is on the right path by bringing it all back to factory settings and then adding as little as is necessary.


i know it shouldn't be like this, but since we don't have another choice right now i go with it, so make a good app list>reset>and download all in one shot...

[MobileMan]

A minor issue that should have been thought out before the phone came out. Now its becoming a problem for some or a lot of G1 owners.

[shaky777]

also i will recommend to clear your cache data from the wed browser as often as you can to preserve your internal memory, i notice that every time i accessed the web i took 1mb out of my memory, now i need to check how much it takes when i use the web constantly with out cleaning cache data...

[Gary.Lavin]

This brings up the concept of a backup solution. I saw a video where a guy loses his G1 and simply logs in to a new phone and he is up and running. How real is that? Do we need a backup solution? I spend hours getting mine dialled in, does any of that stay?

[shaky777]

update:


i just reset my phone again just to double check, this is what you need to do:

1. make a list of the apps that you have already installed(apps are gonna be listed in your download history anyway, but just in case)
2. proceed to factory reset
3. go the the market>mydownloads>install all your apps again(but do it from your downloads history, that way you save some data usage)

my results:

a. 31 apps installed
b. market data usage 2mb(use to be 9mb)
c. internal memory left 60mb(use to be 29mb left) :):):)

[t140568]

Well, I guess this thread answers my question.

[shaky777]

Well, I guess this thread answers my question.


hey let me know if it works for you!

[t140568]

Just completed the reset... went from 10Mb remaining to 59 remaining.

Ahhhh... that's better.

[juice]

You know, this really isn't a bad solution to this 'problem.'

[macdarwin]

geezz...i like browsing at the market at least 3 times a day for updates and now i cant do this anymore if i want to save memory?? sucks!

[JAWheat411]

Thanks shaky777 (http://androidcommunity.com/forums/members/shaky777/)
Will give this a try later. T-mobile/Google has to come up with a solution.

[shaky777]

geezz...i like browsing at the market at least 3 times a day for updates and now i cant do this anymore if i want to save memory?? sucks!


every time you access the market it takes anywhere from 100kb to300 and another 100kb to 250 when you go from: by popularity to by date it don't matter which one you access first.:mad:

[shaky777]

You know, this really isn't a bad solution to this 'problem.'


some people get scared when you say factory reset, but is not like that and it free up an additional 31mb of memory:):):)

[pilkro]

won't this remove links to alll of my custom ringtones i've added to all my contacts, or any customization for that matter?

[shaky777]

won't this remove links to alll of my custom ringtones i've added to all my contacts, or any customization for that matter?

yes it will, the only thing that is not change is what you hava in your memory card, bit if a few minutes are gonna free up 20mb i think is worth it, is your call...

[androidmonkey]

Doing a reset just to free memory is a big PITA. Its like telling someone to reformat Windows every 2 weeks so it would run faster. Sure it works, but its a big PITA to redo app settings, install apps, and other settings.

[shaky777]

Doing a reset just to free memory is a big PITA. Its like telling someone to reformat Windows every 2 weeks so it would run faster. Sure it works, but its a big PITA to redo app settings, install apps, and other settings.


yep i know that but until they come out with a better solution this will be my short term solution , unless u have a better idea... let me know right away please

[Stericson]

there is a solution if you have root. I have my market data being stored on my sdcard right now...
check out my post in the mod my gphone section entitled solved! - market eating up space.
note: you must have root access to do this and if you dont know what that is, or you dont have it, then this is not your solution!

[shaky777]

there is a solution if you have root. I have my market data being stored on my sdcard right now...
check out my post in the mod my gphone section entitled solved! - market eating up space.
note: you must have root access to do this and if you dont know what that is, or you dont have it, then this is not your solution!


my wife was playing with the phone when she saw the new update n she accepted it, now from what i know i don't get root access with thr rc30, unless that have change can u tell me? please

[N3TWORK BURN3R]

Wait...whats the point of this? I have a ton of things installed and i dont get slow downs or anything like that.

[shaky777]

Wait...whats the point of this? I have a ton of things installed and i dont get slow downs or anything like that.


this is not 4 slow dowloads, this iis if u have low memory n u want to free up some space...

[ItsARevolution]

Thanks man i just used your tip and it really works!!:) I had to re download exactly 20 apps and my market is now only 572KB which is a heck of alot better than the 11mb it was before. Also my internal memory is now 48mb out of 71mb (with a clean slate) when before my internal memory was hovering around 21mb with constant cleaning of the browser cache. Thats a gain of 27mb!! This is not recommended for everyday use but it does help if you just wanna start over so you can be more cautious with your internal memory. Also I didn't expect this but my phone is still on RC30 so no regrets!! :D

[shaky777]

Thanks man i just used your tip and it really works!!:) I had to re download exactly 20 apps and my market is now only 572KB which is a heck of alot better than the 11mb it was before. Also my internal memory is now 48mb out of 71mb (with a clean slate) when before my internal memory was hovering around 21mb with constant cleaning of the browser cache. Thats a gain of 27mb!! This is not recommended for everyday use but it does help if you just wanna start over so you can be more cautious with your internal memory. Also I didn't expect this but my phone is still on RC30 so no regrets!! :D


i'm happy that it worked for u:D:D:D, we can help each other...

[Stericson]

Shaky777, you are correct, you cannot obtain root once you have the official rc30, sorry....

[shaky777]

Shaky777, you are correct, you cannot obtain root once you have the official rc30, sorry....


thanks for the research anyways... i appreciate it:)

[westoexpresso]

I gave your theory a shot. I went from 22mb to 55mb after restore and reloading of all my own settings. Thanks and good work.:)

[shaky777]

I gave your theory a shot. I went from 22mb to 55mb after restore and reloading of all my own settings. Thanks and good work.:)


anytime, glad that it worked 4 u 2:)

[claudel1]

Why my whitepages caller id doesn`t work on my fone,can sum1 please tell me how it works?

[shaky777]

Why my whitepages caller id doesn`t work on my fone,can sum1 please tell me how it works?


you need 3G or WI-FI in order to work, do u have any of this two?

[bg5000]

Quick question: I know a factory reset erases apps, contacts and preferences, but it doesn't also erase any updates to the phone, does it? Thanks.

[sewsweet]

He is sooooo correct people; i found this out a while ago, and have stayed out of the market for that reason. I did the reset thing, and downloaded only what I used.
To answer the question about losing updates, no you won't, and I did the manual update for both RC29, & 30. After the reset it still reads RC30. So you'll be good.

[bg5000]

To answer the question about losing updates, no you won't, and I did the manual update for both RC29, & 30. After the reset it still reads RC30. So you'll be good.

Good to know. Thanks.

[shaky777]

He is sooooo correct people; i found this out a while ago, and have stayed out of the market for that reason. I did the reset thing, and downloaded only what I used.
To answer the question about losing updates, no you won't, and I did the manual update for both RC29, & 30. After the reset it still reads RC30. So you'll be good.


i'm glad that it worked 4 u 2:)

[Keith]

You won't lose updates, contacts, email, or calendar entries. In this manner resetting a G1 is less painful that almost all other phones. What you will lose is:

1. Any kept SMS/MMS messages
2. Your custom settings on the phone (rintones, volume, WiFi definitions, etc).
3. Shortcuts and folders you've created

Item's 2 & 3 are enough to stop me on my phone though. I really need a way to back and restore my settings and shortcuts!

Also I wish you could browse the market from a PC. Even without the download option it would be a big help looking for new apps, reading ratings, etc.


Keith

[outsider]

I check the
Market probably 15-20 times a day or more and my Market app only takes up 90KB.

[shaky777]

I check the
Market probably 15-20 times a day or more and my Market app only takes up 90KB.


i guess u r a lucky one...

[lstrike21]

I was down to 9mb on my phone. Went into the browser settings cleared all the caches and now I am up to 20mb. Didn't really want to start from scratch with all my applications etc.

I have 38 applications loaded. I imagine a little clean up would free up some space...

[shaky777]

I was down to 9mb on my phone. Went into the browser settings cleared all the caches and now I am up to 20mb. Didn't really want to start from scratch with all my applications etc.

I have 38 applications loaded. I imagine a little clean up would free up some space...


is not as bad as u may think, but is ur call it will probably get somewhere over 45mb just an estimate... i know is painful to re-do what we got already but it works... good luck

[Too hot to hoot]

Now, please help my ignorance on this matter. Are you doing the factory reset option on the phone? I thought that there's both the one in the phone and one that a T-mo rep can do...a more invasive reset that they can do. Did I hear wrong? Which are you doing?

And irregardless, thanks for the thread, Shaky

[Keith]

It's a real factory reset. Realize that unlike most other phones, your calendar entries and contacts are all stored on the internet and just sync'd to the phone, so a factory reset destroys less of your personal environment. You lose apps (which you can reinstall), and various settings.

Storing data on the SD card presents a security issue. While your phone can be locked from access by other people there is nothing to stop a person from physically removing the SD card. This is likely why contacts and calendar entries are not stored there. I wish they had just encrypted them and stored them and all messages there. Think how worry free a reset would be.

[shaky777]

It's a real factory reset. Realize that unlike most other phones, your calendar entries and contacts are all stored on the internet and just sync'd to the phone, so a factory reset destroys less of your personal environment. You lose apps (which you can reinstall), and various settings.

Storing data on the SD card presents a security issue. While your phone can be locked from access by other people there is nothing to stop a person from physically removing the SD card. This is likely why contacts and calendar entries are not stored there. I wish they had just encrypted them and stored them and all messages there. Think how worry free a reset would be.


thanks for the rapid answer:):):), yep is that easy, it won't take more than 15 minutes in the worst case to get everything back plus all the extra memory space

[Too hot to hoot]

Shaky/Keith, thanks for the answers.

Now that my brain can wrap around that morsel, I'm not seeing the how. Where are the instructions for doing this? :D

[Gary.Lavin]

15 minutes??
What about any notes you created, playlists, bookmarks, stored passwords, not to mention general phone settings, alarms etc.....

[aquanos]

I'm not sure if someone touched on this but could the memory problem be related to the no icons and frozen app shade and desktop issue that some people are having. I know when i first got my phone i was on the app store 15 times a day and browsing hours on end heavy loading sites and my g1 started crashing more often even when i was clearing cache. I notice my memory usage wasnt going down and eventually had to reset. I eventually installed less apps and made less visits and dont browse as much. Any feed back if this might have any correlation to this issue?

[shaky777]

15 minutes??
What about any notes you created, playlists, bookmarks, stored passwords, not to mention general phone settings, alarms etc.....


i'm just talking general, not custom that obviously will take longer...

[JRN1704]

Does the factort reset delete all your contacts?

[jdlorinser]

Wow one of the most informative threads ive read in weeks, thanks for the good info!

[shaky777]

Does the factort reset delete all your contacts?


no, it will not delete them

[shaky777]

Wow one of the most informative threads ive read in weeks, thanks for the good info!


thanks, let me know if it worked for u:):):)

[Gardenwife]

Shaky, is there a way to back up your customized homescreen data before doing a reset? Is there a desktop.ini or equivalent that we have access to if we don't have root? I've added a lot of folders to organize shortcuts and I don't want to have to do them each (!) time I do a factory reset.

[sbig79]

I actually did a factory reset after I got the RC30 update and when everything came back up, it showed that I had 80mb for internal memory. I then went to the market and istead of going to the application menu, I went to the "My Downloads" menu and all the applications that I had downloaded before were all there and I just selected them from there and more. I have 78 application in my phone now and have 14mb left still and also notice my phone a little faster now.

[shaky777]

Shaky, is there a way to back up your customized homescreen data before doing a reset? Is there a desktop.ini or equivalent that we have access to if we don't have root? I've added a lot of folders to organize shortcuts and I don't want to have to do them each (!) time I do a factory reset.

You won't lose updates, contacts, email, or calendar entries. In this manner resetting a G1 is less painful that almost all other phones. What you will lose is:

1. Any kept SMS/MMS messages
2. Your custom settings on the phone (rintones, volume, WiFi definitions, etc).
3. Shortcuts and folders you've created

as it is right now anything you can't store in your sd card will be deleted. sorry i know how it feels, but this is a short term solution hoping they come out with a solution for this matter....

[shaky777]

I have 78 application in my phone now and have 14mb left still and also notice my phone a little faster now.


you must have 78 big big apps, 14mb is to low, i'm not to far from u on apps quantity, but i still have 40mb left n i haven't do a reset in a while so one is coming up soon...

[smoger]

im sorry but i still dont get the point of doing these resets just to have more free memory(unless you're hitting rock bottom.. which google claims won't happen because the market will clear its own cache when needed)

[ultra spikey]

im sorry but i still dont get the point of doing these resets just to have more free memory(unless you're hitting rock bottom.. which google claims won't happen because the market will clear its own cache when needed)

is this confirmed from google? because ive gotten the low disk space error multiple times and my markets memory has never changed.

[Crashdamage]

I've never needed to do a factory reset. I don't intend to ever do one as long as I use the phone, nor do I think I'll ever need to. Like smoger said, I fail to see the point. This reminds me of users who reinstall Linux over and over, every time they have a problem they con't figure, or who think they have to reinstall Windoze every year or so to keep it running right. It ain't so. I never do reinstalls of either one. I run both Linux and Windoze installs just fine for years, 'til a hardware failure or upgrade forces a reinstall.

If I ever run out of memory I'll uninstall some stuff I don't much need , clear the browser cache or something. Why go through all the custom setup I've done again?

[Krak]

i think its more of the point you shouldnt hafta go thru all of that for a brand new "top of the line" phone you just bought and signed into a two year agreement for, only weeks into it to have a memory problem.... thats like buying a car and having to have engine work done instantly, or duct tape stuff on the car so it wont fall apart... you buy something you expect it to work sensibly at least...
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[Shel]

im sorry but i still dont get the point of doing these resets just to have more free memory(unless you're hitting rock bottom.. which google claims won't happen because the market will clear its own cache when needed)

I kind of agree.

I've gone through my installed apps, and many of them I never use, so I delete them.

When the phone is new, I imagine we're all downloading and trying out new programs.

Once you've had the phone for a few weeks, check and see which programs you've installed, that you're still using.

I think most people with 50+ apps probably aren't using quite a few of them, but I guess I could be wrong.

[shaky777]

remember these steps are for the ones that want to keep every single app they download. cuz obviously u can uninstall what u don't need n get all ur memory back, but i haven't see the market cleaning any cache data by it self... this procedure isn't 4 everyone

[brhinehart]

is this confirmed from google? because ive gotten the low disk space error multiple times and my markets memory has never changed.

Quote from a Google employee:

"As it stands, this cache will be freed when your device gets low on disk space - so you when you need it most you will get it back. But this isn't a good experience so we're trying to fix it soon."

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=41ec2c22c8cf5448&hl=en

EDIT: Loner posted this same quote on page 3.

[Johno007]

Thanks for the legwork Shaky, your correct! I had 33mb on memory, did reset and then reinstalled my downloads w/o leaving the market and ended up with 59mb, it sucks setting up my desktop again but well worth it!

[shaky777]

Thanks for the legwork Shaky, your correct! I had 33mb on memory, did reset and then reinstalled my downloads w/o leaving the market and ended up with 59mb, it sucks setting up my desktop again but well worth it!


good that it worked 4 u:):):) thanks 4 stopping by

[kaysesoze]

its def worth doing the factory reset for the space, plus it seems like the internet cache doesnt clear itself completely, but it does free some space.

[grickson]

if your G1 isnt on the official RC30 update you can try to route ur internet cache, street view cache, and market cache to your microSD..its what i have set mine up to... :) but you will need to jailbreak your g1, which is not hard at all..

[shaky777]

its def worth doing the factory reset for the space, plus it seems like the internet cache doesnt clear itself completely, but it does free some space.


it might be what we don't want to do, but worth it

[michaelruiz]

Does anyone know what the status on this is? I did the reset and freed up a ****eload of memory but I haven't gone back to look at the market place apps because I don't want to use up all my friggen memory again.

It's really stupid that we can't browse the damn market place without using up all the memory :mad:

-Mike

[smoger]

i browse the market almost every single day and havent had an issue. just stop obsessing over how much free memory you have. it's not a bragging point. it will clear when it needs to. just relax.

[juice]

10 MB - internal memory.

17 MB - Market.

That's where I'm at, last time I checked.

[joshtheitguy]

48 Mb - internal available

68 k - Market Size

[webrun]

Current memory for Market: 3MB

Available space: 13MB

# of Applications downloaded: 48

I'm not really anxious to have to go thru the hassle and time of doing a reset and re-customizing my phone again, to gain back memory space hogged by the Market, only to have it start building back up again -- because I won't stop visiting the Market.

Particularly so now, since starting Jan 1, some applications will start costing $, but any applications that we already have downloaded onto our G1 will remain free (I verified this fact with a T-Mo rep). So I want to make sure that of what is available thru Dec 31, I have downloaded all applications that are useful to me.

Hopefully T-Mo will give us an update soon that will allow us to clear Market cache and this particular problem will be solved. I spend quite enough time as it is tinkering with this device. I don't want to go over the edge into full-blown geekdom and become obsessive about doing reset after reset, to gain back bits of memory, as some have done.

[outsider]

The space used up by the market cache clears out if you need the space. It does this automatically so it doesn't matter if you have 17MB or 33MB used up by the market. When you run low on space it clears out the market cache.

[greekking23]

w/e...

so does that mean that I do or do not have to worry about this crap?? Just a simple yes or no, please. no explanations required.

[inportb]

Just don't think about it. You'll get the memory back if you really need it.

[daveid]

Just to test this out (and get my space back!) I installed a lot of the larger game demos last night, taking my free space down to about 3MB, I then did some browsing, made a bunch of bookmarks, etc. till it kept warning me about space. I looked and 0MB free! So I rebooted my phone, and imagine this, a few apps crashed when i first started them out, but after a moment it was responsive again, and I looked and saw the ~20MB the market took up was back to normal. I uninstalled the apps I used to fill it up, and now I have 40MB free (oh and I cleared the browser info out).
So yeah, don't worry about it, if you really run out of space, it clears it up. You can also use Cyrket (http://www.cyrket.com/) to browse the new market files, and manually search for those you decide to install.

[juice]

When you run low on space it clears out the market cache.


No it doesn't.
I can't tell you how many times in the past week I've had a 'Low disk space' message. My market has yet to clean itself out. :confused:

[rynosaur]

No it doesn't.
I can't tell you how many times in the past week I've had a 'Low disk space' message. My market has yet to clean itself out. :confused:

Did you push your internal memory to 0mb? Sounds like dude ran his out, rebooted, then his stuff automagically cleaned up.

[juice]

Did you push your internal memory to 0mb? Sounds like dude ran his out, rebooted, then his stuff automagically cleaned up.


Yeah, that's the thing. I have yet to run out of space.
You know guys, there is a difference between running low and running out.


I'll probably just do a factory reset soon.

[daveid]

seriously, I ran mine to 0MB last night, and it cleared the market cache just like that (once I rebooted). Didn't have to restore any settings, contact ringtones (I hated that when I factory restored), or anything else.

[djkdawg]

this is BS, i deleted every app on my phone and my market size is 21mb, it does take up internal space.


ok, i was really worry about the small internal memory that G1 comes with(256mb):mad: and we only get to use 71mb for applications:mad: or anything that's have to be storage in the internal memory, on top of my apps memory usage i have the market app taking an additional 9mb :mad:. i was down to 29mb:mad:, so i called tmobile:confused:, they don't know anything on how to deal with this:eek:. so i did this::)

first factory reset: after factory reset i got 71mb left(internal memory)

check my market app usage: 0kb
sign up for the market: 72kb
accessed to market: 320kb
downloaded shop savvy: 492kb
uninstalled shop savvy: 492kb
accessed compare everywhere: 500kb
installed compare everywhere: 500kb
uninstalled compare everywhere: 500kb
reinstalled compare everywhere: 508kb
left the market and accessed it again with download anything: 608kb
accessed the games by date without download anything: 760kb
accessed the games by popularity without download anything: 796kb
accessed web cam viewer : 804kb
installed web cam viewer : 804kb
accessed park mark: 836kb
installed park mark: 836kb
accessed ring control: 988kb
installed ring control: 988kb
then i went and look back into ring control and the market memory went all the way up to 2mb of market memory usage. so i went and did a second factory reset.


second factory reset: after factory reset i got 71mb left(internal memory)

after it came back on it automatically downloaded 3 of the 4 applications (weird) that i previously downloaded without accessing the market: 12kb
accessed the market:104kb
accessed the market apps: 208kb
accessed the market apps by popularity: 308kb
accessed the market apps by date: 352kb
then got out of the market and went back to all apps: 424kb
accessed the market games: 428kb
accessed the market games by date: 580kb
accessed the market games by popularity: 624kb
then got out of market games and went back to all apps: 624kb
accessed shop savvy: 632kb
installed shop savvy: 632kb
accessed compare everywhere: 640
installed compare everywhere: 640kb
went back to shop savvy( in all apps): 640kb
then went ahead and installed 24 apps without leaving the market, after all of them were installed: 4mb of market memory usage (58mb left from internal memory), then i went and did a third factory reset

third factory reset: after factory reset i got 71mb left(internal memory)

turn the phone on: it didn't automatically download anything
market memory usage: 0kb
accessed the market: 192kb
accessed the market all apps by date and popularity: 388kb
accessed the market my downloads: 876kb
downloaded from my download history park mark: 1004kb
then from my download history(without leaving this page) i download all the previous 24 apps: market total memory usage 2mb(60mb internal memory left)

bottom line the market application does eat your internal memory(some people said is virtual memory, is not) also every time we access an application in the market it will take from your internal memory, because it will add to the market application memory usage. so avoid looking at applications that look useless(like looking at the ratings first, i know that's hard to do, but that will make developers create better apps cuz if this stays like thit and they don't fix it, we won't be able to even take a look into the apps to avoid losing memory. also if you can and your are not going to lose any important info or if you can back up what you have in your phone, just do a factory reset and then go to your downloads history and download all your apps again without going in and out of the market, before i did this i had 29mb left of internal memory now i have 60mb and the market memory usage was 9mb now is 2mb. i also didn't installed some of the useless apps that i had before, but now i feel a lot better....:):):)



update:


i just reset my phone again just to double check, this is what you need to do:

1. make a list of the apps that you have already installed(apps are gonna be listed in your download history anyway, but just in case)
2. proceed to factory reset
3. go the the market>mydownloads>install all your apps again(but do it from your downloads history, that way you save some data usage)

my results:

a. 31 apps installed
b. market data usage 2mb(use to be 9mb the first time)
c. internal memory left 60mb(use to be 29mb left) :):):)

[outsider]

No it doesn't.
I can't tell you how many times in the past week I've had a 'Low disk space' message. My market has yet to clean itself out. :confused:

Yes it does. If it doesn't do it for you you have the magical G1 that doesn't do what everyone else's phone does.

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=41ec2c22c8cf5448&hl=en

[shaky777]

this is BS, i deleted every app on my phone and my market size is 21mb, it does take up internal space.


you don't have to delete every app one by one, just do a factory reset...

[dwang]

At least google is working on the ability to install apps on the sdcard.


http://www.gotontheinter.net/content/oooh-hidden-gem-cupcake-sources

And for those that have a jailbroken (rooted) rc30 g1, there's already a hack available that allows you to install and run apps from the sdcard.

I know it works because I was able to hack my g1 to do this.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462882

[nxtiak]

You think your Market data usage is bad...
I have 54 apps installed, my last system reset was like a month ago.
Guess how big my Market data is....... 23 MEGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[webrun]

I just did a factory reset to recoup memory hogged by the Market. Here is a tip to save some time in getting the phone back to where you had it before the reset:

If you don't have the Astro application, download it, and back up all your applications to your SD card with it. Then after you do your factory reset, you first download the Astro ap from the Market, then using it, go to the SD card and start re-installing your aps, one by one -- still, it is quite a lot faster than finding them and re-installing one at a time from the Market. You must first go into settings and check the box allowing "non-market applications". This is a real time-saver, and besides, after Jan 1, you will be able to do this and save applications that cost $ onto your SD card for re-installation.

[rynosaur]

You think your Market data usage is bad...
I have 54 apps installed, my last system reset was like a month ago.
Guess how big my Market data is....... 23 MEGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don't have root access, use the web to research your apps, Search Market by filename only, and directly install. Browsing the Market via its graphic menus is what bloats the cache.

Questions?:o

[outsider]

I have 89 apps installed, 8MB left on my phone and my Market app is taking up 5MB. When I have even less space free on my phone the Market will clear it's cache.

[duopoly]

Just a question: Is there a noticeable performance issue or is it a space issue? The reason I ask is I have 14 apps on my phone. My market is at 25 MB but she still purrs like a kitten.

[outsider]

Thing that seems to slow my phone down the most is when I end up with a bunch of windows open in the Browser.

[Scottep1964]

Instead of going to Marketplace, go to http://www.cyrket.com/ in your browser to see App info. It is always up-to-date.

[Scottep1964]

I Just followed the steps and went from 28 meg free to 58 meg free.
sweet

[andonnguyen]

read my signature =]

[inportb]

Right... there is a performance improvement to keeping the cache rather than clearing it... read my signature ;p

[shaky777]

I Just followed the steps and went from 28 meg free to 58 meg free.
sweet


hey that's great, i'm that worked for you...:)

[shaky777]

and still working!!!!!!!!!!!!!:):):):):)

[androidmonkey]

Put your apps on the SD card and you wont have to worry about this.

[kbsmall]

Hey... I am having the same issue. However, a lot of time has passed since this post. Says I have 73 Mb used of my 96.. and the phone has been slow as )&*%)#*%&.

Has anyone created a memory optimization program?

Any other options besides restoring the phone 3x?? Still waiting for my OTA 1.5 update... will this fix?

KBS

[Crashdamage]

96MB-73MB=23MB left. That's pretty marginal and probably why your phone is slow, especially if you're using something like one of the home replacement apps. If you get below 20MB the phone will likely become unstable too.

You want to have at least 25-30 MB free memory. So make some more memory space - clear out any browser caches, cookies, history, uninstall any apps you don't use, etc. If you get to over 30MB and the phone is still slow, post back again because you may have other problems..

There's no 'memory optimization' app I'm aware of. Probably because Android is Linux and Linux does a terrific job of optimizing memory usage. But Linux can't create empty memory where there is none. Make some space.

[deserttopping]

"memory" and "storage" aren't the same thing, right? does the G1 use internal storage for RAM purposes, or is there a separate area for this? also, is internal storage used for swap space?

[Crashdamage]

desertopping said:

"memory" and "storage" aren't the same thing, right? does the G1 use internal storage for RAM purposes, or is there a separate area for this?Honestly, I don't know the real difference in this case, never fooled around with finding out the details of how the G1 allocates it's memory. I do know that if you go into settings and check the available space under 'SD card & phone storage>Internal phone storage' a G1 will probably slow down if it's less than 20-25MB, and might get unstable if it's less than about 18-20MB. I know my G1 does. So apparently that space may used for either RAM and/or swap. Maybe somebody smarter here can give you a better answer.

[deserttopping]

thanks. i suppose i could always harness the power of teh google. if i find anything interesting, i'll post it here.

[rjraj]

Guys I got my t-mobile mytouch 3g recently. And was surprised to find only 263 MB internal memory free. The spec says it comes with 512 MB of memory. Was wondering if the Android OS itself occupied about 240 MB. Called the t-mobile customer care, they have no clue about these phones. After reading this thread, I'm breathing easy now. Looks like the OS could take up so much memory.

[OKC-G1]

Guys I got my t-mobile mytouch 3g recently. And was surprised to find only 263 MB internal memory free. The spec says it comes with 512 MB of memory. Was wondering if the Android OS itself occupied about 240 MB. Called the t-mobile customer care, they have no clue about these phones. After reading this thread, I'm breathing easy now. Looks like the OS could take up so much memory.
the G1 has 256MB...before the OS is installed lol.

and 70 or so MB free after. <--may not be exact

[CesarB]

If you guys havent done so yet. Root your mytouch or g1 that way your apps will be installed on your sd card and not your phone therefore having your internal memory intact for your phone to run smooth...