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Facts surface about Cupcake elements in a new T-Mobile G1 update

16 January 2009 by Staff Editor


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All of you who have coincidentally become cupcake followers can finally have something to sink your teeth into. No the update has not been pushed out by Google, but there is some information regarding what will be included in future updates. More information included after the jump.

Google does have the INTENTION to release and over the air update (OHA) that includes elements taken from the cupcake update.  A senior G1 PDA Specialist, Dylan, has apparently made a few facts clear, these facts are listed below.

  • FACT – There WILL be a G1 update shortly as it was INTENDED to be by mid-January so the next target is now by the end of January.
  • FACT – T-Mobile will not just provide Cupcake elements to the G2 and leave the G1 behind.
  • FACT – The next update will be called RC31 and include Cupcake elements.
  • FACT – The mass of calls lately for Cupcake is registering and causing T-Mobile to double their efforts in getting the update out.
  • FACT – NO ONE has received RC31 as of today.
  • FACT – When the update is released it will be done in stages “Over The Air” but it will be by region not when you purchased the G1.
  • FACT – The memo I was privy to is NOT distributed to Support personnel.
  • FACT – T-Mobile Specialists & Support are LAST to know when an update happens and are notified AFTER it is released as was the case with RC29 & RC30.
  • FACT – T-Mobile does have a battery improvement program in motion.
  • FACT – T-Mobile’s plan for battery improvement will be one of OR a combination of efficiencies in an OTA update and an extended life battery replacement.

[Via GoogleAndBlog]

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  1. Finally....some reasonably sane info instead of just silly conjecture.
  2. I'm still taking this with a grain of salt.
  3. I was getting so tired of even hearing "cupcake" until you posted this. Thanks for the clarifications.

    I think I am going to call and start trying to get a free extended battery, headphone adapter, and maybe even have them ship me off a refurb.

    Keep up the good reportin'
  4. finally, some real information. I'm excited it's coming out by end of January and not end of Q1. Also rly excited that there is a battery replacement program in effect. Now if only there was some legit word on flash...
  5. Pics or it didn't happen!!!
  6. Keyword being: "Cupcake elements"
  7. "FACT - The mass of calls lately for Cupcake is registering and causing T-Mobile to double their efforts in getting the update out. "

    so what you saying is if we keep buggin the crap out of tmobile it will make it go faster???

    ima go get on their nerves now!!!
  8. thats good news lets hope they follow thru and cut the bs and release it.
  9. (OHA) I thought it was (OTA)

    And G2?

    Is that coming out in mid-jan?

    Anyway im looking forward to Cupcake/RC31
  10. yummy cupcake
  11. It said end of Jan, so week after next is probably most likely when it will start. Since it's a regional roll out, could sometime in Feb before everyone receives the update notice.
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by LazyGenius View Post
    "FACT - The mass of calls lately for Cupcake is registering and causing T-Mobile to double their efforts in getting the update out. "

    so what you saying is if we keep buggin the crap out of tmobile it will make it go faster???

    ima go get on their nerves now!!!
    Please don't do that. The source that Refused is pulling from stated that there is a Tmo website forum for requests and complaints, and all Cupcake questions must be directed there. Calling Tmo CS/Level 1 tech support will yield you no good info. As Refused's source stated, the phone jockeys are the last to know about outgoing OTAs.
  13. Quote:
    Originally Posted by LazyGenius View Post
    "FACT - The mass of calls lately for Cupcake is registering and causing T-Mobile to double their efforts in getting the update out. "

    so what you saying is if we keep buggin the crap out of tmobile it will make it go faster???

    ima go get on their nerves now!!!
    they realy should not have let us now that calling all the time actually has an effect if we bug them enough maybe we can get them to push it out by monday if you will excuse me I have some calls to make.
  14. Thanks for clearing some of this " cupcake " rumors up!
    I can't wait to receive this update
  15. Some cupcake elements? I don't like the sound of that, sounds like Android phones will have different Android builds.....
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by jmejiaa View Post
    Some cupcake elements? I don't like the sound of that, sounds like Android phones will have different Android builds.....
    Well, if you think about the nature of linux operating systems, your statement is by necessity true in all cases of a side-by-side comparison of an kernel installed on two different hardware platforms! Ipso facto, being "different" is not by definition getting shorted.
  17. haha, you said "ipso facto"
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wrytch View Post
    haha, you said "ipso facto"
    Thanks, Wrytchie, I learned that word all by myself.

    The Power of Vocabulary Compels You!!
  19. you people are weird
























    I like it
  20. This is U.S. only, right?
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by MrUfnb View Post
    This is U.S. only, right?
    I assume the UK will get no more, no less, and not much sooner or later!
  22. Guys, it says cupcake elements, because "cupcake" is not an update, the sooner everyone gets on the same page about that, the sooner it will make sense to you all. Cupcake is a development branch, so the elements from their branch are what is being sent out.
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by hondamx525 View Post
    Guys, it says cupcake elements, because "cupcake" is not an update, the sooner everyone gets on the same page about that, the sooner it will make sense to you all. Cupcake is a development branch, so the elements from their branch are what is being sent out.
    Oh stop it, Honda. Your sensical/knowledgeable approach to Cupcayyked-Hysteria might cuz down on the WHERESMYCUPCAKEDFLASHBEECHES?! posts that make my life complete, and therefore deprive me of rats to shoot
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by rynosaur View Post
    Please don't do that. The source that Refused is pulling from stated that there is a Tmo website forum for requests and complaints, and all Cupcake questions must be directed there. Calling Tmo CS/Level 1 tech support will yield you no good info. As Refused's source stated, the phone jockeys are the last to know about outgoing OTAs.
    yeah i know that i can read... i never said i was calling them to get valuable info im calling them so that they feel pressured into getting it done...
    • Quote:
      FACT - T-Mobiles plan for battery improvement will be one of OR a combination of efficiencies in an OTA update and an extended life battery replacement.
    So everyone with a G1 is going to get a new battery?
  25. That's cool that they are doing this. I'm ordering a G1 today and have heard mixed reviews about the battery. I'll have to see how it goes over for me.
  26. Quote:
    Originally Posted by rynosaur View Post
    Oh stop it, Honda. Your sensical/knowledgeable approach to Cupcayyked-Hysteria might cuz down on the WHERESMYCUPCAKEDFLASHBEECHES?! posts that make my life complete, and therefore deprive me of rats to shoot
    Fine Fine, I can haz cupcaikes please soonz tomorrowz lawl??!?!??!
  27. Quote:
    Originally Posted by hondamx525 View Post
    Guys, it says cupcake elements, because "cupcake" is not an update, the sooner everyone gets on the same page about that, the sooner it will make sense to you all. Cupcake is a development branch, so the elements from their branch are what is being sent out.
    cupcake is a development branch. If you notice the roadmap, it says, cupcake has been merged to master. Not elements of cupcake has been merged to master. T-mobile said elements, therefore they may not be using all the code from the cupcake branch.

    Also, how can you be sure that the cupcake development branch will continue. It may change it's name or something, where have you read that cupcake is continuing to develop? The cupcake section of the Google roadmap lists a bunch of changes that the "cupcake branch" has coded. So as far as we know, cupcake is an update. It may not be the official name but who are you say what cupcake is or is not, unless you are in the cupcake development branch. Then I'll shut up.

    Call it whatever the hell you weant to call it, I'm pretty sure everyone is referring to the next big update when they say "cupcake".

    I'm almost 100% sure that Obama is going to release cupcake to the masses this tusday, the change he was talking about was for Android!
  28. I just called customer service and was told an update was sent ou and will continue to go out to feb. I was told it started the first week of jan.

    I asked what update it was and she told me she didn't have that info.

    I doubt this is the one we are waiting for, but I called just incase the call center getting a lot of calls makes a diference.

    My experience is the squeeky wheel gets the most greese works.
  29. Quote:
    Originally Posted by B_Man View Post
    I just called customer service and was told an update was sent ou and will continue to go out to feb. I was told it started the first week of jan.

    My experience is the squeeky wheel gets the most greese works.
    And my experience is that they'll tell you stuff to get you off the phone. But thanks for the effort
  30. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaYuMu6ft7 View Post
    Keyword being: "Cupcake elements"
    yea!
    first you gotta decide which cupcake kind you want

    then the whole process of mixing the items needed




    as long as those little sprinkles are added at the end
  31. Quote:
    Originally Posted by jmejiaa View Post
    cupcake is a development branch. If you notice the roadmap, it says, cupcake has been merged to master. Not elements of cupcake has been merged to master. T-mobile said elements, therefore they may not be using all the code from the cupcake branch.

    Also, how can you be sure that the cupcake development branch will continue. It may change it's name or something, where have you read that cupcake is continuing to develop? The cupcake section of the Google roadmap lists a bunch of changes that the "cupcake branch" has coded. So as far as we know, cupcake is an update. It may not be the official name but who are you say what cupcake is or is not, unless you are in the cupcake development branch. Then I'll shut up.

    Call it whatever the hell you weant to call it, I'm pretty sure everyone is referring to the next big update when they say "cupcake".

    I'm almost 100% sure that Obama is going to release cupcake to the masses this tusday, the change he was talking about was for Android!

    I didn't say it would continue, or if it came off that way i didn't mean it to. I agree that maybe they won't use all the code, but i think the only code that wouldn't be sent to the phone would be something that it couldn't use, not simply just because.

    And the sole reason i believe it is a branch not an update, is because its called the cupcake development branch.
  32. you guys used "fact" a lot... - FACT "Wendy's Commercial"
    ummm... also... patience? Talk about obsolete obsessive compulsive.
  33. i don't follow....haha
  34. Quote:
    Originally Posted by gbk1 View Post
    you guys used "fact" a lot... - FACT "Wendy's Commercial"
    ummm... also... patience? Talk about obsolete obsessive compulsive.
    I agree completely. This will be a non-issue in a month. We should be worried about *real* issues, not more speculation.
  35. Shawn thanks for the mention - I even had to check back at my post to see if I had put OHA in rather than OTA - phew, I didnt put that in the original

    There are hints (RUMORS) that the update would start rolling out on this or next Sunday - but minimalize expectations for end of month.

    The Android Community here is GREAT, love the forum and cite it in my posts like on getting a proper screenshot without root - http://androidcommunity.com/forums/110590-post24.html

    Which I will do and post on Google And Blog once I get the update here in San Diego as the SouthWest US is supposed to be first in the roll.

    ,Michael Martin
    http://www.googleandblog.com/
  36. T-Mobile's G1 dept also told me I was out of luck when I got my G1 a month ahead of release. They told me I couldn't use a Blackberry data plan with the phone, and they were quite wrong.

    In other words, they aren't facts.
  37. This brings to mind a few questions about rooting of the G1, since I have been circling around that issue, but haven't done it (level of difficulty issue):

    Does this mean when the "cupcake" update comes out, if we haven't yet modded our phones, then we are SOL, we must root our phones before the cupcake update or it will be too late?

    For those with modded phones, can they accept the cupcake update? Or must they wait until someone mods the update so that the modded phones will accept it?

    If you update comes around, and you don't accept it (say because you want to mod your phone first), will the update be offered to you again later?
  38. I'm very content with "Root"

    It's the non root folks whom are HOLLERING & SCREAMING about "Cupcake"
  39. You will have to wait until someone modifies the update, but chances are they will have it for download already modified before you get it OTA.
  40. yummy cupcake going to taste goooood
  41. Quote:
    Originally Posted by hondamx525 View Post
    You will have to wait until someone modifies the update, but chances are they will have it for download already modified before you get it OTA.
    it will not have to be "modified" to be flashed into JF RC30v1.3, so much as re-signed with the test keys at minimum. Of course, if Google/Tmo have been sneaky and re-write the SPL to exclude test keys or replace the recovery.img with their own, flashing manually OTA RC31 will certainly threaten further modding and could also take away root access. I'm gonna hold tight and let the experts dissect "cupcayyke" to make sure. Look before I leap
  42. Your reporting style is the best. The whole "FACT:" made me get a little chill every time I read it. And I actually read it as tho you were yelling fact like when I hit on Girls at the bar... "FACT! I'm the man. FACT! I'm the greatest" etc...

    God Bless this post...
  43. Very nice. It's time for G1 to make some noise.
  44. Quote:
    Originally Posted by rynosaur View Post
    it will not have to be "modified" to be flashed into JF RC30v1.3, so much as re-signed with the test keys at minimum. Of course, if Google/Tmo have been sneaky and re-write the SPL to exclude test keys or replace the recovery.img with their own, flashing manually OTA RC31 will certainly threaten further modding and could also take away root access. I'm gonna hold tight and let the experts dissect "cupcayyke" to make sure. Look before I leap
    I would consider taking the stock update ad re-signing it with the test keys modifying something, wouldn't you? all i meant was you can't get it over the air if you have modified rc30 anyways, so you would have to wait for them to resign it, and to do anything else they end up needing to for rc31.
  45. I still wouldn't take a T-mobile G1 specialist word as "fact." That developer actually working on the cupcake branch is probably the most authoritative one to speak on it so far and she was the most skeptical about it getting out anytime soon. Until I hear otherwise, everything else is rumor. And that blog is not too trustworthy.
  46. This was leaked today, repeat the following 10 times and cupcake will be delivered OTA to your G1.

    In the name of the father/fabricator (HTC) and of the son/service (T-mobile) and of the holy ghost (Google) amen.

    Our father (Android) who are in heaven (online) hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come on earth (in handsets) as it is in heaven (online). Give us this day our daily bread (cupcake) and forgive us our trespasses (being early adopters) as we forgive those who trespass against us (AT&T, Apple and Iphone users).
    Lead us not into temptation (lusting for flash, video and stereo bluetooth), world (internet) without end amen.

    Let Cupcake fall from heaven like Manna to sustain us as we cross the desert looking for the holy land, peopled by other Android users.

    Dont get religious about this, just letting off steam.
  47. I'm hearing "cupcake elements" and instantly became skeptical of which parts of cupcake will be included, like we'll get 80% of the planned changes of cupcake such as onscreen keyboard & browser improvements but camera recorder isn't a definite??

    Assuming this info is confirmed by a developer who's actually hands on with the Android source then I'm pretty stoked but won't be surprised if some of the more complex features such as video recorder will be missing until RC-32 or something.
  48. Well, whatever "elements" come with the new update is aiiight with me.
    Just as long as I get at the very least a virtual keyboard and some improvents
    Overall. Hopefully it'll come by my birthday.
  49. Well, whatever "elements" come with the new update is aiiight with me.
    Just as long as I get at the very least a virtual keyboard and some improvents
    Overall. Hopefully it'll come by my birthday.
  50. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaYuMu6ft7 View Post
    Keyword being: "Cupcake elements"
    As you no doubt know, cupcake is the current development branch, not a product in and of itself. As portions of the development branch become stable, they are merged into the master branch and eventually pushed to our devices.

    So no, we're not going to get this "cupcake update" in just one OTA, nor is it an update at all. We'll just see new features appearing in future updates. They would no longer be called "cupcake" when we receive the features because that's just a development codename.
  51. Quote:
    Originally Posted by inportb View Post
    As you no doubt know, cupcake is the current development branch, not a product in and of itself. As portions of the development branch become stable, they are merged into the master branch and eventually pushed to our devices.

    So no, we're not going to get this "cupcake update" in just one OTA, nor is it an update at all. We'll just see new features appearing in future updates. They would no longer be called "cupcake" when we receive the features because that's just a development codename.
    Actually, Cupcake was merged with the master branch weeks ago. Just FYI.
  52. I know. Not all of it, though. And by no means does merging to master mean instantaneous availability as an end-user patch.
  53. Oh my, I just never get tired of this tomato/tomatoe argument about RC31 being elements thereof or the whole shootin' match deployment of the main development branch. This is how I'm spending precious moments of my life, participating in arguments over hypothetical minutiae
  54. Ah, vocabulary does get you places, right? =D

    Most of the people who're worried about cupcake had never experienced OSS development before, heh.
  55. Quote:
    Originally Posted by inportb View Post
    Ah, vocabulary does get you places, right? =D

    Most of the people who're worried about cupcake had never experienced OSS development before, heh.
    Yeah, I hear you. Add in the Tmo/HTC proprietary drivers and secret deployment schedules and you have a lot of wierd openness/closedness issues. It's like reporting on close-door hearings in Congress

    And if vocabulary gets me anywhere, I'll send you a postcard when I get there.
  56. Quote:
    Originally Posted by inportb View Post
    I know. Not all of it, though. And by no means does merging to master mean instantaneous availability as an end-user patch.
    Nor did I say that it did mean that. But you said Cupcake is a development branch (which is only kida true now...), and that it would be merged to master in small pieces (which was not the case when it merged). Do you have a link that says "not all of it" was merged?

    The fact that it is unfinished is well-documented. But that doesn't mean it's not merged.

    From http://source.android.com/roadmap/cupcake

    Quote:
    Update: cupcake has been merged into master.
  57. Oh well... I'm not in that much of a hurry to get some cupcake. I'm not even sure how OTA works on WiFi, heh. The new features look nice, though.

    If it does I'd hop on the vocabulary bandwagon too.

    @DesignDawg:
    They only tell us what would be merged to master, but not everything that's been going on with cupcake. To find that out we'd look at the source. I did not say that the code would be merged in small pieces, but we do know that opensource software is modular and tends to be developed in portions. For example, the target kernel must have been merged because all other development depends on it.
  58. Quote:
    Originally Posted by inportb View Post
    Oh well... I'm not in that much of a hurry to get some cupcake. I'm not even sure how OTA works on WiFi, heh. The new features look nice, though.

    If it does I'd hop on the vocabulary bandwagon too.
    Erm? Your possible snark does not compute.

    For a real updayyt on what v1.5 firmware does and does not do as of this very moment: try Google. All your bases are belong to them.
  59. Oh, right. I get data off WiFi and I'm pretty happy with the Android stack on the most part.
  60. this is for dylan the g1 specialist you are not a specialist and i will tell you when the cupcake update will be out so pass it on 10/1/09 and by the way stop lieing to all these pepole they are very upset they dont need it thanks
  61. Flash and Stereo Bluetooth make the G1 just about perfect for me.

    Heres' to hoping.
  62. ******READ THIS******

    Please notice the source of this blog post at the bottom of it. It comes from "Googleandblog.com"

    1- If you check out googleandblog.com you will see that that blog has been wrong on many issues concerning the Android platform and the G1.

    2 - The same blog said that T-Mobile was going to start replacing batteries with larger ones in the G1 after Christmas, and they obviously haven't.

    3 - Also, "Googleandblog" has been wrong on the very issue of Cupcake in the past. They stated that a "close source" leaked that the release would come out by the 11th of Janurary, and it obviously hasn't.

    4 - Futhermore, if you read the post again, its obvious that all "Googleandblog" did was speak with a "higher up" tech support rep (ie - they like to call themselves G1 support specialists but really they are just another know-nothing who obviously fed the guy what he wanted to hear and then googleandblog proceeded to spread is as "FACT"

    5 - Googleandblog is known to delete posts from users who disagree with what they try to spread as "fact"

    6 - There is not another site online who is able to substantiate any of the claims made by googleandblog, and given the fact they have been so wrong in the past on so many issues concerning the G1, I'm going to have to take whatever "facts" have been said in that blog as only speculation.
  63. what the hell is cupcake?
  64. This is hilarious....

    • FACT - The memo I was privy to is NOT distributed to Support personnel.
    • FACT - T-Mobile Specialists & Support are LAST to know when an update happens and are notified AFTER it is released as was the case with RC29 & RC30.

    OK.... however he spoke with "Dylan" who is a PDA specialist (tier 2 specialist). So basically he is saying that the person that told him all this also told him that he has been told nothing!
  65. Aside from the FACT that Googleandblog has been reporting rumors as FACT.... is the Fact that all other "sources" on the web are quoting Googleandblog as their source. How funny is that?

    I can't wait for an update to my already great G1...but we just have to wait and hope. At this point release dates are a closely kept secret.
  66. P.S.

    I think we will get 'cupcake' at the same time as the App market is changed to accomodate paid Apps.
  67. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trev Reds View Post
    P.S.

    I think we will get 'cupcake' at the same time as the App market is changed to accomodate paid Apps.
    This is what i think also, I want the cupcake update just as bad as anyone else but i am ok with the wait, I work as a software quality engineer and testing something like this could and should take a while. The longer they spend testing the less bugs we are going to find in the OS when its released.
  68. Quote:
    Originally Posted by benthomasg1 View Post
    This is what i think also, I want the cupcake update just as bad as anyone else but i am ok with the wait, I work as a software quality engineer and testing something like this could and should take a while. The longer they spend testing the less bugs we are going to find in the OS when its released.
    Plus 1 here too.... I think the paid apps portion of the market is done, but they are waiting to release that until cupcake is finished. Reason being, so many of the apps on the market are going to become redundant as cupcake will add on some of the things that people are writing software for.
  69. Quote:
    Originally Posted by momentarylapseofreason View Post
    Plus 1 here too.... I think the paid apps portion of the market is done, but they are waiting to release that until cupcake is finished. Reason being, so many of the apps on the market are going to become redundant as cupcake will add on some of the things that people are writing software for.
    Hopefully there will be another "house cleaning" like when they first launched the hardware. I think this would eliminate alot of redundant software and useless apps
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