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So there ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, might possibly be a cupcake update in April.

Or, perhaps May.

Or, maybe not.

Got it. Thanks!

this just gave my hopes up =(

I've got to say, this article is a case of terrible journalism. In the first few sentences of the article, the author simultaneously states that t-mobile "confirms" that cupcake will be released, while quoting an actual spokesperson from t-mo who says it's just a rumor. Truth is, t-mo hasn't confirmed a dang thing, and for the author to say so in the same sentence as a t-mo spokesperson is quoted to the contrary is, well, quite hilarious actually.

Secondly, the author mentions a number of features that are stated not to be in the RC33 update that we all got, including google latitude and voice search. These items are indeed part of that update, as I know most of us can attest since we received it.

I'm sorry to say it, this is a bad article overall. If we're gonna get the rumor mill going, we might as well have an article with some credibility behind it as the catalyst.

if this phone never gets a2dp, i will setup my camcorder in the street, and continuosly run over my g1 and post it to youtube. i will then either go back to winmo or just get me a jitterbug. i'll give it a couple more months. i'm tired of this os anyways. looks aren't everything. the email is from the stone ages. no animated mms? what's the point? i can just send a picture in an email. i can't even get animation on the home screen. that's trivial,but there are so many things about this os that leave me feeling like i got ripped off. just my 2 cents.

Agree, bum article. Latitude & voice search were both missing from the European RC9 update, which I assume is what they were referring to. Wouldn't mind somebody giving a decent explanation for _why_, as these are both features available on Android in the US and on other T-Mobile phones in the UK... so it's not the phone, OS, carrier or location that's the issue.

will believe it when i see the update on my phone.

My guess is that they are waiting for the release of the HTC magic before cupcake is released. It makes sense because that would add momentum to its release.

That certainly is my theory.

it's believable since it's on point with the first quarter thing which was what was said on HTC website a while ago with the onscreen keyboard.

That's genius -- spend close to $200 for a device and if it doesn't have a single feature, literally throw that $200 away and spend more money to buy another phone that will never have said feature. It must be great knowing that your job is secure in these difficult economic times -- so secure that you can more than afford to throw away $200 here and there.

You work at a bank, don't you?

Maybe that's the point of these smartphones lacking "basic" functionality like MMS -- why use MMS when you can use email, which is much more robust and doesn't cost $0.10 per message?

Also I find it extremely ironic that you state "looks aren't everything" yet go on to say that you "can't even get animation on the home screen".

nope,i don't work at a bank. but i promise you'll be the first to see me burning rubber on my g1. "spend more money to buy another phone that will never have said feature. " what does that mean exactly? i already have an older phone with this feature-a2dp. it's pretty common among even cheaper phones. as far as the mms,have you ever tried sending an animated gif? the os doesn't even recognize it. lame. i know it's trivial, but we all have that gf\wife who sends us that stuff. it's embarrassing that i can't respond. i have to send a static image.big time lame. and if they don't work out a way to delete more than one email at a time, i'm gonna take a 20 minute ride to niagara falls and let it float over the falls. i'll make a floatation device,strap the g1 to it and film it going over,lol. it's my phone and my money. don't let it upset you.

Exactly what i was thinking. I'm not a journalist but at least get the facts straight. This would totally confuse anyone thinking about buying a G1.

im more confused now than before i read the article

Wow one of the worst articles ever read hahaha kinda funny
But I can't complain or thell tell me to send them my username so they can delet me from there servers hahaha pathetic

Yeah, I'm not going to hold my breath for cupcake. I figure if it pops up next month, great, I'll be surprised and happy. If not, I won't be disappointed.

Why oh why did i buy this crap phone took me ages to get latitude on the thing in the uk.

LOL. Id do something similar if i could afford too.

Looks like there will be an update. I agree the article is kinda vague .

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10194816-94.html

so whats the actual verdict of this download? are we getting it or not?

?????????? Rc33 gave us Voice search and latitude

Um the full list of features was known and published before the phone was even available. So you are bitching about buying a phone which doesn't have a feature, that two seconds of searching could have told you it doesn't have.

If you don't like the phone, sell it and never darken the forums again. Otherwise, be patient, wait like the rest of us, or God forbid contribute something to the community apart from the rantings of the ignorant.

Loss of money is punishment for the stupid.

Cupcake is useless if you can't install apps on your SD card and I don't want to root my phone..

Not that I'm agreeing with that guy or anything, but one of the reasons MMS is important, is because not everyone has a smartphone thats capable of e-mail. There are quite a few people still sporting Razr's, and Boost phones are real popular (at least in my neck of the woods) because they feature 50 dollar unlimited talk plans now.

just thought I add my 2 cents...

Also, I'm far personally far more interested in the OBEX profile anyway. That and the virtual keyboard are on my hit-list. Screw stereo bluetooth

As far as I can understand this articles makes perfect sense. The first part of the article the author was just repeating what HE/SHE read as well. In other words he was putting the "rumor" out there just incase anyone missed it and then he goes into explaining what's "really" going on. The last part about the RC33/RC9 is exactly that, he/she is combining the two together and saying that these features weren't all included in the release because RC9 still doesn't have Latitude. So it makes sense.

Now for the other smart a$$'s commenting on here. Comments such as
and
is retarded. As far as anyone is concerned this community is open to anyone that wishes to speak about the OS and the Phone... this includes negative talk. All these people that back up this OS and Phone like that remind me of no less than an APPLE geek defending their OS. People on here will like and hate things about this phone and to tell them that they can't say negative things on here about ANDROID because it's "immoral" or because it goes against all thing's android is- well IGNORANT lol.
If this is not the case and the MODS really think it should be only die hard fans then they should make it private and only pick the elite ones to come to this community.

how ironic,lol.

People are more then welcome to say whatever they want including all things negative but the problem is that the things people keep bítching about all the time are redundant issues/annoyances that have been covered several times before and they are flogging a dead horse by continuing to bring the sh*t up.

If something comes up that hasn't been covered before please do and people will provide insightful responses. Otherwise people that continue to drone on and on about the same inane topics day after day are opening themselves to be ridiculed.

Just because YOU see something being posted about over and over again doesn't mean the same for the other/s. We have new people coming in all the time and as hard it is to believe (I'm actually stuned, no BS) they don't know how to use the search bar (which I would also like to add, many of the members in the beginning were having trouble with so nothing new here). So as much as I would like to concur with you about people deserving to be ridiculed it's hard to do so.
In the end, CUPCAKE + FORUMS = BAD ^_^'

The way all of my service providers have been desperately trying to milk me for extra money lately _ i am just going to go on with he belief that since the cupcake update would be "free" - they wont be giving it to the G1 - they have no reason to except to satisfy their customers.. why would they want to do that?

Found the story somewhere else. Do you guys think this is phony too or not? Just wondering.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10194816-94.html

It's funny cause all along everybody has been saying T-mobile is the one holding back, in that cnet article it says the spokepersons said that google decides when it gets pushed to phones. I don't believe this, I think Google just puts the code out there and if t-mobile wants it they can grab it.

Then she also says:
A Google spokesperson could not give a more specific release date. "We're not confirming the timing on when Cupcake will be ready," the spokesperson said. "We'll push it as soon as it's ready."

So... Does Google push it out, or will T-mobile push it out when it is ready? This doesn't make sense.

don't think its phoney, in fact it supports everything that has been said since this whole cupcake thing was announced. although i was a bit puzzled by the mention of getting cut and paste, perhaps they meant cut and paste across the board?


and i have to agree with josh repetitive whining about one's displeasure, while not seeking a means of alleviating the problems causing it, is a waste of everyone's time involved.

j my reading of it is, that google will have finished it for release to tmobile in april, then it is tmobiles job to release it to us there after.

All I know is that I hope they just stop with this "it's open source" " its not open source" BS and give us root now there there are actually tether applications and such already available.

Writing this has pointed out to me that there is something loose in my laptop on the opposite side of the processor that i hear vibrating with every key stroke. I blame t-mobile!!!

Why did tmobile make HP build me a laptop that makes an annoying little noise? I don't know! But I do know that cupcake is still not going to make people happy if they cannot have root access to save apps on SD..

i'm pretty sure cupcake will fix your laptop also happy, as well as end the recession, give me full access to an amex black card and end world hunger. climate change unfortunately will not be addressed until 3rd quarter updates.

I've seen the early builds, its worth waiting for.

I was under the impression that google was the one pushing out all the updates. Thats why people with unlocked phones on different carriers still get the updates. I never thought t-mobile was the one pushing updates. The entire time update rumors were coming out about cupcake, google employees over at code.google.com were saying that cupcake wasn't complete. Hopefully its for real this time though.

Well I just got my G1 a few days ago. Made the switch from using Blackberries since 2002 and many types of cell phones since the early 90s.

I am not disturbed at all about the delay (or rumors).

Rumors are a fact of life when talking about anything electronic. At some point even manufacturers and carriers leak info so to fuel discussion, build excitement and create interest. Have not seen anything on the Net that shows the G1 is any different on all these points.

What I enjoy about the G1 is that it is open source which means great apps are being created almost daily. How cool is that. People should recall their old smartphones that had crappy or limited applications. My Blackberry was a joke in terms of applications. Only recently (2006) did RIM come out with a multi-media smartphone, but even it was limited in terms of office or utility applications.

I read a comment that someone did not buy the G1 because it did not have video recording capability. I posted that such feature was a matter of programming and software, not hardware. I said it would only be a matter of time before a video recording app (or apps) for the G1 showed up.

Anyway, I am completely psyched by this G1. I still have my Pearl 8120 (will use it as an emergency phone). Comparing that next to my G1, OMFG, the Pearl is so yesterday's news.

By the way, on releasing Cupcake, T-Mobile does not endorse or "release" OS updates (e.g., by posting the update being available) until they are sure all the bugs are worked out. This is because a buggy OS can cost the carrier millions to deal with.

In 2007 or thereabouts T-Mo posted an OS for the Pearl that was defective/buggy. A few weeks later they had to take the OS down from the Site and deal with thousands of customer complaints. They won't make that mistake again.

Delays are usually due to T-Mo doing extensive testing of any fixes or updates. If they prematurely made the OS available, then they would hear complaints such as "Why did you not fully test the OS before releasing it?"

So T-Mo does the smart thing, they don't buckle to pressure and whining.

But T-Mo wants Cupcake just as much as you. They know, for example, that the phone not having video recording capability is hurting some sales.

Just be thankful that the early adopters will be getting the OS makeover.

(Sidenote: I really like the G1 / Androids OTA notification of updates and it downloads them OTA when I approve doing so. My G1 did not have the latest updates and I heard that the phone notifies a user five or so days after purchase of the G1 about the updates being available. That happened to me. So cool.)

My understanding is that is how it works. T-Mo has strict requirements for releasing updates and fixes.

The G1 is T-Mo's baby. They will not release the OS until it performs flawlessly. No one can go around the contracts that T-Mo has with Google, Android, or HTC.

My understanding is that those contracts give T-Mo complete control on OS releases.

If someone knows different, post such. The above is what I heard when T-Mo was dealing with RIM on BlackBerry OS updates. Back then T-Mo would not post OS updates or versions on its Site, so people resorted to going to other countries to get, for example, Pearl operating system updates unavailable through T-Mo.

Screw cupcake!!! Just give me A2DP!!!

Support for A2DP is in cupcake I believe, putting you in a difficult situation as you don't want cupcake yet paradoxically want A2DP.

LOL. Everyone has his or her "must have, screw the rest of it."

I had "bluetooth stereo" on my Pearl 8120 and Curve. Have some cool BT stereo earphones. Hooked em up to the G1, mono only.

I am hoping that A2DP is not a motherboard feature. I think it can be added with a firmware update to the Bluetooth profile.

Here's hoping.

Per the service Manual, the hardware supports stereo bluetooth. All we need is software support

and this article is why I sold my G1. I was told by a tmobile employee that the g1 was probably going I scrapped so the g2 can take it's place. The person told me that tmobile is going to release the g2 later this year so instead of trying to make the g1 better they are working on the next handset and it will have all of the cool features G1 owners have waited for. Stuff like stereo Bluetooth, video recording, and flash will probably be on the g2 from the start and Never available for the g1. When they told me that I bought a unlocked iPhone and sold my g1... I'm not sure if the person was telling me the truth. But seeing that they told us about the cupcake update months ago and nothing has been done about releasing it and then it was released they are working on g2 for end of year seems like she was telling truth.

For one, T-Mobile employees are not allowed to talk about, nor do many know, of product launches. One could get fired for talking like someone supposedly did to you (they didn't). And T-Mo (as well as others) monitor boards, etc. to see if an employee is being loose lipped about plans. Tech companies guard this kind of information as if they are state secrets.

So you just happend to connect with 1) a T-Mo employee high enough in the chain to know Google's, Android's, HTC's and T-Mo's collective plans for G series product development and launches; and 2) someone who had no problem talking to you (a person who then went and posted what you heard on to a public board). Yeah, right.

How interesting that only the top people in these companies know about this kind of stuff, and now you know.

No one else on the outside of the inner circle on the planet knows about T-Mo's, et al., intent to scrap the G1 and replace it with the G2?

How fortunate that you were able to find out this information and post it on a public board. Thank you for exposing T-Mo's scam. Now I will be able to send my G1 back for a refund. I will make sure to send them a copy of your post as evidence to support my request.

As to why only you and that T-Mo employee are aware of all this, I guess the media and blogs did not have access to the info that six months after introducing the G1 that all these companies intend to scrap the G1.

In any event, people who actually know about this kind of stuff have speculated that the G2 will debut in April 09. It will be a total touchscreen phone, without a keyboard.

It will be marketed to people who prefer a total touchscreen phone (like the iPhone). Because it won't have a keyboard it will have a slimmer profile, something else people may want instead of the "fatter" G1.

So people can now have a choice, the G1 with a keyboard (which I prefer) or a total touchscreen G2.

My understanding is that the new OS and firmware will give G1 all the features that will be on the G2. To be sure, T-Mo and others learned from Apple and the iPhone issues: You reward customers who are first adopters, you don't punish them by tossing the G1 six to eight months into production nor deny them the opportuinty to upgrade the phone's OS.

Thanks for the good laugh, anyway.

Like I said I didn't know if it was true. So there is no reason for an attack. I was giving information like everone else. I made a decision to go to a different phone because I felt that not getting straight forward 100% believable answers from tmobile made me mad. You ask about different things that do and you get the run around on the answer so you have to take the run around answer at face value when It is hinted in a question about the g1 and they don't answer but give hazey explanation you have no voice but to read deeper than you might normally to figure out the answer to your question. So as to your rude response.... I was giving info that a person hinted to me about. I even stated it not be true so you and rude comment weren't asked to respond. I called tmobile a couple of times because my g1 wasn't working right and when I asked as to why and if they knew anything I get hinted that," we don't think there will be any cupcake or part of cupcake release made because of this or that and in the same sentence they tell me the g2 may be out this year... So instead of attacking me maybe you should actually think before you type something that might be taken as an attack. I think it funny that some people on here think they are the smartest people ever.... Ie sanfran and the person above that smarted off about someone saying they would burn rubber on thief phone because they felt ripped off. I felt ripped off especially instead of getting a straight answer I got the run around one. So much for commenting. I am glad I never asked any questions on here cause I'm sure the little know it alls would chime in rude repsonses like sanfran did.

Let's play nice people. No need to turn this into a flaming war.

Thank you.

So what you're saying is that Google handled out A1DPs (G1s with a different boot loader) to their employees in lieu of a holiday bonus and not even 6 months later they're going to discontinue working on software that would run on those phones?

Good point!

"the RC33 and RC9 updates both lack a bunch of new capabilities anticipated for Cupcake, including the video recording, voice search, Google Latitude, stereo Bluetooth and a better online keyboard."

Don't we have voice search and Google Latitude with RC33?

Agreed. I got carried away due to the authority on which one purported to speak.

Plus I like my G1 and T-Mobile.

There was just recently a post on a Google-groups mailing list, I think it was Android-Discuss, wherein a Google employee said April was not a month they were looking at and that any release date of cupcake was simply inaccurate at this point.

so much for Q1 2009!

surely though seeing as the Magic is being released with cupcake on it in april it will be able to be ported over to the G1.... there are people already looking at a leak from an early version magic over on xda....

I'm not going to be happy with "Cupcake" if it doesn't support apps able to install to SD Card, I'm so sick of having to delete apps everytime I need space to install a other app.

Why does everybody always complain about whether or not the G1 is going to receive the "Cupcake" update. We should know by April if were going to get it or not, and if we dont, then we definitely know that the G1 is a beta phone to test out Android and the G2 will probably be a beta as well. In other words the G3 might be the actual "gPhone" we all wanted.

I hear you. I would think someone would have come up with a workaround.

I have not had my G1 long enough to notice space limitations, nor look for an answer. But guess you did, the G1 cannot install apps on the SD card. That makes no sense since my MicroSD card is 4GB. Plenty of room on it for apps.

So here's hoping.

you can move apps to the sd if you root your phone.

somebody hacked the htc magic roms to work on a rooted g1

he got some screens as well.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...&postcount=130

the new keyboard and dialer looks pretty sweet

^ word.

try it yourself if your brave

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jnmeditmdgz

EDIT:
quick how-to:
MAKE SURE YOU MAKE A NANDROID BACKUP!

1. Place update.zip on sdcard
2. Power off device, and boot up while holding Home.
3. Press ALT+W to wipe, and ALT+S to update.
4. Reboot.
5. Come on here with "0mgz!! haykuro is l33t!" and let me know you're grateful.

there is only 2 problems with this image, no authentication [just yet, im fixing it now!] and if you let it go to sleep, it enters the infinite loop and you'll have to go to recovery mode and do the update again, besides that its fully functional!

enjoy guys! give thanks and props please!



heres some images of me playing with it before you fools

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4481/device1.png
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/410/device2.png
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EDIT2:
some extra information:

SEARCH+B takes you to browser
SEARCH+C takes you to contacts
SEARCH+S takes you to SMS
SEARCH+I takes you to IM
SEARCH+G takes you to GMAIL (doesn't work if not authenticated, i'm working on authentication now!)
The green Call Button pressed once or twice will bring up Dialer!


im about to try it eeeeek.

Let us know how it turns out. I really didn't know what I was looking at in the screenshots.

The new dialer looks great. I knew there was a reason I wasn't trying out one of those alternate dialers in the market.

Wow, I'm loving the UI changes on this. If the devs at XDA finsh it up, and release an verison that fully works then I'll be the happiest G1 user.

seriously its super nice i can't wait for a more "stable" version

so when you load this on, is it fully functional?

looks nice!!!
i'd try it but i dont even know how to root LOL~!

I'll leave this to you pros, while i wait for real cupcake

wait im confused as to what this is.... this is the cupcake ported to the G1?

No, no homescreen, no radio, nothing really...you can test out the virtual keyboard (REALLLLLY NICE, nicer than I imagined to be honest) and the new dialer is sweet. overall if this is the version of cupcake we will be getting the UI improvements alone are worth it.

Its the HTC Magic rom...on the G1...not really ported or nothing...because its only semi functional.

I'm having a problem. When it reboots i keep seeing the htc loop screen. I dont see a dialer what do i have to press when i go to the black screen?

YOu know, its like semi functional or REALLY slow, I would just press and press and press the green phone key and eventually...it'd come up.

If THIS is the cupcake we get (god I hope so) Then I am satisfied based on looks at least.

thanks.. can someone redirect me to the latest version of rc33 link thanks,, all i have to do is rename it to update.zip right and do i have to get the radio again?

that answers alot. thanks

Hello,

I was testing this and now want to go back to rc33, how do i do that? i renamed the update.zip and my screen shows the T-Mobile G1 on the screen and wont load. Can anyone provide me with the most updated link please and tell me what im missing

Thank God. It took me 8 hours to fix my problem.

Thanks all

what did you do just so other people know?

so basically no one knows the true release date. no one has an inside man. so how do we know if its actually coming

Cupcake has already been merged back with trunk, there's no choice but to have it going forward.

Really like to get the stereo BT.

It's really the only thing from holding me back from liking the phone. I bought it to eliminate as many other devices as I can, and right now, I'd like to be able to use my BT Motorola headphones with it while working out.

There is a lot about the phone I don't like, but adding the Stereo BT would push it to more overall like than dislike.

One gets the feeling that there is more than just verifying that the code works going on in the background. Especially when you read about gentlemens agreements between Apple and Google to not release multi-touch.

Google has their hands in too many peoples pockets, and tries to please them all. Hopefully they aren't just copying everyone else's IP and then trying to reverse engineer it so that it doesn't look like what it came from. If that's the case, releases with useful features could take a while.

why would they lead people to a no no!! i meant ever since i got ma G1 that they will give us a video recorder and a stereo bluetooth....that's all i'm asking for the people who will develope the G1....i've been a nokia user ever since i started getting my own cp but i became so fascinated with G1 bec it's a smartphone with a qwarty keyboard like a sidekick that's why i switch...but...with this update it's not complete with it you know what i mean and now they are leading people to stray and we're expecting alot from this...they can't decide what is it?!? are you guys going to give us the cupcake or not we need some comfort food for our G1s come on pppls. That's all im asking is to give us what you guys promise....